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jamotide: Nope, not wrong, they are just pixels. A sin? Probably many religions in which it would be a sin, who cares? Ok believers probably care.

Although start a thread with "is it wrong to rape and torture" in a videogame and watch most of the people here turn into instant hypocrites.
which is why I added that.

I did add a "rape" mod to one of my games, adds a level of difficulty for keeping the evil NPCs off my female companion NPCs
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jamotide: Nope, not wrong, they are just pixels. A sin? Probably many religions in which it would be a sin, who cares? Ok believers probably care.

Although start a thread with "is it wrong to rape and torture" in a videogame and watch most of the people here turn into instant hypocrites.
I wouldn't call that hypocritical.
For some people, rape and torture are worse than murder and I'm inclined to agree.
I think as long as stuff is not available for children anyway, artists should get as much freedom of expression as possible, but I'd still call them sick in some cases and that's my personal freedom.

Everybody draws the line somewhere. Where is yours? Pedophilia perks in RPGs?
Post edited March 26, 2015 by Klumpen0815
OP's question sounds like a something certain government agencies would ask for recruitment purposes.
Post edited March 26, 2015 by DieRuhe
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DieRuhe: OP's question sounds like a something certain government agencies would ask for recruitment purposes.
I was trying not to add my bias at that time
It's a..... game. There is no actual killing. Killing for fun, even insects is bad but not playing a game. Are the actors playing in "Texas chainsaw massacre" homicidal maniacs? In a game you play a character that's in a situation where sometime murder is the only way out. I read a lot of reviews before buying a game but, even then, sometime I quit because it's just violence for the sake of violence. I'm not that angry. But, if someone is, better do it in a game than in real life.
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Klumpen0815: For some people, rape and torture are worse than murder and I'm inclined to agree.
I don't think it's the main factor. I think that the gaming context itself weights on the moral scale. Something like an aknowledgement of common theft/violence fantasies (especially the "righteous" violence that is denounced in the OP), as opposed to rape fantasies. In other words, it's considered normal to have theft/illegal/violent fantasies to fulfill virtually, as these are often glamorized by all medias (from traditional tales to popular movies etc), even if they cannot be tolerated in real life. But only a specific kind of creeps have rape fantasies to fulfill, even virtually.

There are probably several aspects overlapping there. The "thoughtcrime" of rape (if you ask me, a "rape fantasy" or even a "animal abuse" fantasy, defines someone a bit more as douchebag, whatever the imagined setting, than, say, a shoot-all-of-the-baddies-goons fantasy). And maybe its feasability (the abuse on animals and the sexist legitimation of rape attitudes may be a tad more of a stake than more consensual theft/murder issues). I think there's quite a few parameters that play a role...
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gamesfreak64: But i am not entirely helpless, i think i have a baseball bat lying around somewhere, a wooden one and i believe a metal one.
I got it long time ago, but i forgot what for, now i remember it was to prevent alien intelligence from experimenting with me.
All you need to do now is add some cool mods to your baseball bat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFrKnqBJG6Q



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gamesfreak64: If time should come to defend ourselves from such evil we can all meet en gang up to protect mother earth
maybe we will be able to pull of a Independence Day (nice movie, i have it on dvd)
Vote for Falcon 4.0 on GOG so we can all practice!
http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/falcon_40_original_not_allied_force

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gamesfreak64: But if it has to be, i'd rather be laserbeamed to oblivion in startrek style , then slowly whackedof as they do now in real life.
If having your head casually sawed off by inbred turds with rusty kitchen knives is the alternative then I'll take the lasers option, too!
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DieRuhe: OP's question sounds like a something certain government agencies would ask for recruitment purposes.
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Rusty_Gunn: I was trying not to add my bias at that time
I'm not quite sure I get your response, but anyway - I was being a little goofy because it really did remind me of some questions I've heard. "Is it ever ok to lie?" Love that one, coming from the government.
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DieRuhe: OP's question sounds like a something certain government agencies would ask for recruitment purposes.
There is actually a pretty cool movie about that, The Killing Room.
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Trilarion: I just don't think such a person would exist. Maybe they do, these peaceful, nice people who just happen to like managing concentration camps in a playful safe environment, but I doubt it.
Why not, it is just a game. I have massacred native tribes in Colonization.I have done imperialism in Imperialism and waged many wars in all kinds of games.

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Klumpen0815: I wouldn't call that hypocritical.
For some people, rape and torture are worse than murder and I'm inclined to agree.
Murder is the worst, that is not a matter of personal preference. It is universally the crime with the highest criminal punishment. Yet players are ok with it, but not much lesser crimes. That by definition hypocritical.

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Klumpen0815: Everybody draws the line somewhere. Where is yours? Pedophilia perks in RPGs?
no line, art can do everything
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jamotide: Why not, it is just a game. I have massacred native tribes in Colonization.I have done imperialism in Imperialism and waged many wars in all kinds of games.
But have you raped in RapeLay?
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F4LL0UT: But have you raped in RapeLay?
Nope, not really a fan of actiongames.
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Klumpen0815: I wouldn't call that hypocritical.
For some people, rape and torture are worse than murder and I'm inclined to agree.
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jamotide: Murder is the worst, that is not a matter of personal preference. It is universally the crime with the highest criminal punishment. Yet players are ok with it, but not much lesser crimes. That by definition hypocritical.
I'm sure you don't understand the word "hypocritical".

That just shows, that the scale of the weight of crimes in the legal system is another one than in big parts of the population. You may define your moral standards by your countries laws (which I doubt, there are always ones with which you'll disagree), but nobody else really does it in every case.

In most western countries the punishment for a banker stealing a million dollars is much less intense than the one for a hobo stealing 100 dollars to get food and the punishment for software piracy and hacking is usually more intense than for rape, do you think this is fair?

Just look at this stuff:
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/265402

http://aattp.org/steubenville-rape-case-hacker-raided-by-fbi-may-get-more-jail-time-than-rapists/
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/rights/opinion-hacking-vs-rape-which-crime-more-deserving-jail-time
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/1/7/hacker_group_anonymous_leaks_chilling_video

Such legal systems have no right to tell me what is "the worst".

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Klumpen0815: Everybody draws the line somewhere. Where is yours? Pedophilia perks in RPGs?
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jamotide: no line, art can do everything
As I've written, not the line for forbidding something but for what is inacceptable for oneself, I'm sure there is something you'd feel a problem with, being able to and getting rewarded for kidnapping and raping a child, murdering it, raping it again, pissing on it, feeding it to your dogs and burning the rest on its mother's lawn maybe? If it's shown pretty realistic, I'm sure you'd feel some kind of wrongness when seeing it, telling me you wouldn't is hypocritical.
Post edited March 26, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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DieRuhe: OP's question sounds like a something certain government agencies would ask for recruitment purposes.
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tinyE: There is actually a pretty cool movie about that, The Killing Room.
Cool! Something to look for.
This is just catharsis, I kill people in video games to avoid to do it in real life... Yes, I'm a psycho !
A sin ? Man is a sinner by nature, so killing people in video games won't make a difference.
Personally, my unique limit is to kill animals, specially cats. I avoid to kill animals in video games if I can, except if I can't progress anymore or if they are mutants, zombies or under an evil influence .