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Sheesh, some of you are being overly petty...
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devoras: That's a contradiction in many ways. If someone is a sjw in gaming, they're typically more concerned with arbitrary things like representation and diversity in games instead of the quality of the games themselves. If someone is a sjw in other aspects but keeps it out of gaming, I wouldn't consider them an sjw in the context of gaming, and could accept that they are a gamer. However I don't know of any sjws that don't try to apply their insanity towards literally everything, and I'm not sure you can be a gamer AND a sjw at the same time. You can be a sjw that plays games, but that's not the same thing.
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amok: let me tell you a story about me partner. She has been playing games since the early 90's, through Sega machines and later PC's. Her favorite games are Sonic, Diablo II, Warcraft III, Caesar III and Heroes of Might and Magic series. However, especially in the last 10 years, she had problem with some games and felt alienated by them due to the portrayal of women in them - it feels weird to her, she can not relate to them and at worst it was very annoying (for example she really enjoyed Mass Effect 2, but every now and then you could hear this groan "god, they are pushing Miranda's ass in my face again" - she had to ignore those parts to find that enjoyment), and would like it if there were more games catered to her preferences as well. She voiced her feelings, got told how her feelings are wrong (how can that be?) and branded a SJW....

so... even though she likes many different games and plays games a lot - apparently she is not a gamer.... go figure...

edit - might add that due to those experiences, she is not willing to touch a gaming forum with a 10 foot pole ever again. so.... yeah.... job well done, I guess.

edit 2 - having lived with her for many years now, and experienced games through her eyes as well, I guess I am a SJW also now, as I agree with her.... and I have been playing games since the mid 70's, but I am also now suddenly not a gamer anymore.
Strange, I never noticed that they were pushing Miranda's ass on the player more than other characters. I'm pretty sure they had strategic camera shots of all the characters. I didn't notice the ones where they focus on the male characters, bending over working on things or camera shots that accentuate their upper body strength. I found that it was all subtle enough to flow into the normal gameplay. Men and women like different things, having some visual stimulation in the game for the men helps the game, and having some emotional stimulation and conversations for women helps the game too, you don't need to take one or the other out of the game. I'm not upset when characters have too much conversation between them or have moments where they talk about their feelings. All the characters in the game are super idealized because it's fantasy, that includes physical perfection.

The irony is Miranda is a fairly strong female character, and a very attractive one too. I don't see how that can be annoying to women. You can't really win though, can you? If you make a strong, attractive female character it's sexist because it hurts women's self esteem, they compare themselves with that character; but if you make a weak, unattractive female character it's sexist because it portrays women in a bad light. There's no winning that no matter what stance you take, they are overall irrational arguments, the only winning move is not to play.

I'm all for MORE games that she can relate to, but I strongly object to the need to change CURRENT games. If there's actually a market for a type of game that nobody is satisfying, it would be a gold mine. I don't want someone to take away my ability to enjoy the Miranda's in gaming(though as a character she was far from my favorite), if they don't like it they don't have to buy that particular type of game. If a game's market is primarily male, it makes no financial sense to change the game so it doesn't market to men.
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tinyE: fuck it, I'm done with this stupid tempest in a teacup, and from now on I'm just downvoting anyone who uses the term "SJW".
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dudalb: "SJW" has indeed become meaningless.
In fact, a lot of the people in this thread screaming about "SJW" are just doing so because it makes them feel cool,daring and edgy.
And ot the others who scream about SJW are bigots, pure and simple.
The oldest rick in the book for bigots is to claim they are the ones beind discriminated against.
I think you look too much into it, sjw is just definition of type of person. most people use it out of habit to describe certain mentality. As for it being used as insult, those people take anything as insult, hell snowflake became an insult cause it was used as means to describe them to avoid ban.

If you actually think it was used as an insult not definition then you're prolly the very edgelord you describe yourself.


edit: oh sorry, didn't notice you use word bigot, I apologize, I assumed you're on the other side. Guess you never were edgelord after all.
Post edited July 20, 2018 by ashtonx
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markrichardb: This doesn't bode well for Cyberpunk considering any faithful rendition is bound to attract countless articles pointing out the 'problematic' elements. I was hoping the game would be as creatively fearless as Kingdom Come, but stuff like this makes me worried CD Projekt can't stand the heat and will eventually end up as another victim of a foreign culture war. The American games market is decadent, presided over by a joyless games press who only serve their own egos. If it all came crashing down under the weight of its own hypocrisy I doubt I'd be affected in the slightest. To get worthwhile games I increasingly find myself turning to Eastern Europe, Russia, and Japan.
Hmm I don't find things as dire as you, not yet. But I will say there are a lot of new landmines out there, I was burned by the ethically dubious pronoun nonsense in battletech. I'm having to be more careful, for the first time in my life, about who is making a game and whether they're pushing an agenda through that game. I hope Cyberpunk is unaffected by these sorts of problems, I have faith that it will be, but I will need to proceed carefully with it.
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amok: let me tell you a story about me partner. She has been playing games since the early 90's, through Sega machines and later PC's. Her favorite games are Sonic, Diablo II, Warcraft III, Caesar III and Heroes of Might and Magic series. However, especially in the last 10 years, she had problem with some games and felt alienated by them due to the portrayal of women in them - it feels weird to her, she can not relate to them and at worst it was very annoying (for example she really enjoyed Mass Effect 2, but every now and then you could hear this groan "god, they are pushing Miranda's ass in my face again" - she had to ignore those parts to find that enjoyment), and would like it if there were more games catered to her preferences as well. She voiced her feelings, got told how her feelings are wrong (how can that be?) and branded a SJW....

so... even though she likes many different games and plays games a lot - apparently she is not a gamer.... go figure...

edit - might add that due to those experiences, she is not willing to touch a gaming forum with a 10 foot pole ever again. so.... yeah.... job well done, I guess.

edit 2 - having lived with her for many years now, and experienced games through her eyes as well, I guess I am a SJW also now, as I agree with her.... and I have been playing games since the mid 70's, but I am also now suddenly not a gamer anymore.
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devoras: Strange, I never noticed that they were pushing Miranda's ass on the player more than other characters. I'm pretty sure they had strategic camera shots of all the characters. I didn't notice the ones where they focus on the male characters, bending over working on things or camera shots that accentuate their upper body strength. I found that it was all subtle enough to flow into the normal gameplay. Men and women like different things, having some visual stimulation in the game for the men helps the game, and having some emotional stimulation and conversations for women helps the game too, you don't need to take one or the other out of the game. I'm not upset when characters have too much conversation between them or have moments where they talk about their feelings. All the characters in the game are super idealized because it's fantasy, that includes physical perfection.

The irony is Miranda is a fairly strong female character, and a very attractive one too. I don't see how that can be annoying to women. You can't really win though, can you? If you make a strong, attractive female character it's sexist because it hurts women's self esteem, they compare themselves with that character; but if you make a weak, unattractive female character it's sexist because it portrays women in a bad light. There's no winning that no matter what stance you take, they are overall irrational arguments, the only winning move is not to play.

I'm all for MORE games that she can relate to, but I strongly object to the need to change CURRENT games. If there's actually a market for a type of game that nobody is satisfying, it would be a gold mine. I don't want someone to take away my ability to enjoy the Miranda's in gaming(though as a character she was far from my favorite), if they don't like it they don't have to buy that particular type of game. If a game's market is primarily male, it makes no financial sense to change the game so it doesn't market to men.
Miranda was oversexualized and at the same time too much of a feminist wet dream... strange mix. I'm straigh male and I found her a bit annoying, and her character bland. Like a blown up doll that got added feminist traits to avoid triggering people.

I can only empathize with the woman, especially after recent newsletter about books from humble.
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Fenixblade33: Is GoG going to respond to this or not?
Everyone who's against the censorship and the "apology" (That ends up maligning a notable portion of GoG's market base) is showing up. So many high-rated comments in the Postal thread reaming GoG for this while so many others who are effectively for it getting their comments buried in downreps.
Its ridiculous.
You think we haven't seen a raid before? Go back to your chanboard or whatever.
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Because I have no life, I've been keeping track of the people who have vowed never to shop here again who have open profiles, and a few of them have bought games since then.

I guess your principles were no match for the weekend sale. :P
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Lucian_Galca: And the procedure was still life saving to her regardless which you'd realize if you took the time to understand.

But anyways, that's my last word on this since you and others apparently really don't care about someone's suffering.
1. "Gimme $35000 or I kill myself" is not lifesaving, it's extortion.

2. On the contrary, the scam, and later attempts to "honestly" beg for cash to waste on frivolous nonsense, is what killed him whe he actually was broke and homeless, asked for $675 and got nothing.

PS. If there's a moral to this story, it's "don't invent justifications for mental illness".
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Starmaker: -
Looks like we've moved onto pissing on the graves of real people.
In defense of gog in a general sense, when I was banned from having a reasonable discussion about the battletech pronoun nonsense in many other places, we were permitted to have a long conversation about it in the forums here. That prompted me to start buying things from here again, and they still have some goodwill from me for allowing that. I'm not so sure they've gone full crazy sjw. The fact that this thread has been allowed to continue unhampered speaks well for them, a lot of places would have locked it down immediately.
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devoras: In defense of gog in a general sense, when I was banned from having a reasonable discussion about the battletech pronoun nonsense in many other places, we were permitted to have a long conversation about it in the forums here. That prompted me to start buying things from here again, and they still have some goodwill from me for allowing that. I'm not so sure they've gone full crazy sjw. The fact that this thread has been allowed to continue unhampered speaks well for them, a lot of places would have locked it down immediately.
Just keep it civil and sensible, as soon as people take it over the line and turn it into a slander pit, it'll be locked, deleted and users who broke the rules will be dealt with.
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PoppyAppletree: You think we haven't seen a raid before? Go back to your chanboard or whatever.
A 4chan raid from all these months to years old accounts...
Well, I suppose it is a well known fact that GG is in possession of a time machine...

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Linko90: Just keep it civil and sensible, as soon as people take it over the line and turn it into a slander pit, it'll be locked, deleted and users who broke the rules will be dealt with.
So... is there any hope of y'all giving an official response?
Post edited July 20, 2018 by ivanivanov123
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devoras: In defense of gog in a general sense, when I was banned from having a reasonable discussion about the battletech pronoun nonsense in many other places, we were permitted to have a long conversation about it in the forums here. That prompted me to start buying things from here again, and they still have some goodwill from me for allowing that. I'm not so sure they've gone full crazy sjw. The fact that this thread has been allowed to continue unhampered speaks well for them, a lot of places would have locked it down immediately.
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Linko90: Just keep it civil and sensible, as soon as people take it over the line and turn it into a slander pit, it'll be locked, deleted and users who broke the rules will be dealt with.
with both barrels? :p
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PoppyAppletree: You think we haven't seen a raid before? Go back to your chanboard or whatever.
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ivanivanov123: A 4chan raid from all these months to years old accounts...
Well, I suppose it is a well known fact that GG is in possession of a time machine...
A raid primarily consisting of people who have mostly free games and the occasional purchase. I don't care if it's reddit, 4chan, 8chan, or whatever hive of scum and villainy it is, but the MO is obvious. Very few of the people who have turned up have any legitimacy in calling themselves longterm or loyal customers, so if you're going to threaten boycotts you should just be shown the door. You were good for a laugh, but now it's getting tedious.
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Weak cowtowing wimps.

I wonder if Cyberpunk 2077 will have same lack of value & common sense.

OH WELL. Great news however, cheap keyshops always exist