Mercy, milord. I will never touch anything with the label Blizzard, ever again.

Depends. You can always resub to WOW for a month to play around the old Raids like Icecrown Citadel and Black Temple.

MMO died for me. There is nothing like a single player or a good old game. Especially DRM-FREE and all. Always on DRM is the worst kind, ever...

Its because of that that sometimes I wish WOW, Everquest, Ultima Online, and other MMOs were single player RPGs.

I want to do these raids without being kicked from players or dealing with a bad player.

I'm not entirely sure if you're being sarcastic there or not.

This is not my opinion. My perception in the internet as to the reason why certain people dislikes the MOBA genre is that it killed off Base Building RTS games.

Personally I don't agree with it because I don't see the comparison between a game like DOTA and a game like Command and Conquer.

I remember feeling that way about Final Fantasy XI. It would have been nice to have another job system create your party Final Fantasy game.

I actually started a thread about that exact issue last year. It was titled something like "Did MOBAs kill RTS?". So yeah, that's what I think of MOBAs.


It's not just about similarities in the gameplay, you need to look from a business perspective at it. MOBAs and RTS games need similar kinds of resources. If you can make the content and tech for an RTS you can make the content and tech for a MOBA and to have a basic MOBA up and running is actually cheaper to achieve than an RTS (note that I'm not saying that designing a good MOBA is easier than designing a good RTS, that's a completely different matter which is hard to evaluate by a business). And the modularity of MOBAs has turned them into goldmines. Developing RTS games has become far less attractive and given the similarities in the production: yeah, I'm certain that many RTS games haven't been made because the developers' eyes turned into dollar bills looking at MOBAs.

I think it's at least partially true. There seem to be a new MOBA out every week, but almost no new RTS. And MOBAs are an offshoot of RTS games, the whole sub-genre came to be as mods for Starcraft and Warcraft 3. However, that is not why I dislike MOBAS (hate would be way to strong a wrod), or at least that's not the only reason. I dislike them because I simply don't like competative games much, and because people seem to treat MOBAs crazy seriously. I was there at the beginning playing those Warcraft mods with my friends, and what used to be just a silly distractions is now this huge worldwide mania. I don't even mind the "proffesional" tournaments, I mean the normal, everyday people who obsess over MOBA strategies, characters, statistics... it's why I could not possibly get into any of those games now. I would just play a match or two from time to time, just for fun. I would never "git gud" at it, I would never learn this whole new language that developed around it.

It just weirds me out to see what was a silly mod for Warcraft, right along with a paintball mod and gocart races turn into such an obession for so many.

How oversaturated is the MOBA genre? I only know at least 4.

(The BIg 3 and Infinite Crisis a DC Comics skinnned MOBA)

And if it is oversaturated than the markets will decide MOBAs will not be profitable and only LOL and DOTA and mabye Heroes will only remain with only a handful of devs making their own take on it.

Forgive me fo saying this but People were getting tired of Survival Horror games for Stagnating back in the early 2000s and sales for the classic RE games and Slient Hill. Which is why Resident Evil 4 became what it is.

Now I feel history is repeating itself because I find the Horror game genre OVERSATURATED with First Person, No Combat, simple horror games. All made to pander to the Youtube Let's Play community.

No one buys Five Night's At Freddy's, they just watch people on Youtube playing it

(OK I went far off topic :P)

Anyway its not that weird, Counter Strike was a mod for Half Life 1 and it popularized realistic military FPS.

I don't even know what are those anything. =/

What are those anything?

There's a Lord of the RIngs one, there's Dead Island one, there's something called Smite, Chaos Heroes, Dawngate, a Warhammer one (currently in Alpha), Strife, and I don't even know what else. But I think there's quite a few more.

Luckily you seem to like better games like FF and MGS.. Also ultima iv. =)

Man that was sooooo long ago. And I still have not even got throught the prolouges of the later Ultima games :P

They are that hard.