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Please, correct me if I am wrong: I think I've read somewhere here that lending a GOG game to a friend was no problem according to GOG, as long as you treat it like a physical copy, that is, you dont't play that game until your friend "returns" it. Am I right?
Post edited December 16, 2012 by Andanzas
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Pheace: And... I never said it was... but I'm sure you'll do your best 'not to get' the point
Yet, somehow you managed to think that preferring DRM-free, and agreeing with not to sell, trade, torrent-share etc. your DRM-free purchases are contradicting?

Yes yes, I know you are merely trolling in these forums, but that was weak attempt at that.
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Andanzas: Please, correct me if I am wrong: I think I've read somewhere here that lending a GOG game to a friend was no problem according to GOG, as long as you treat it like a physical copy, that is, you dont't play that game until your friend "returns" it. Am I right?
I think that's one of those random grey areas that while TECHNICALLY still against the ToS, and TECHNICALLY distributing software which you don't have the rights to distribute (you have no proof your friend uninstalls and stops playing it, or didn't back it up..), it's not really a major concern, they're just not going to facilitate it.
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P1na: Don't you dare complain in my presence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZQw6KuNKqs
I apologize to all the pineapples out there... You guys clearly have it worse than us monkeys.
Post edited December 16, 2012 by langurmonkey
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Andanzas: Please, correct me if I am wrong: I think I've read somewhere here that lending a GOG game to a friend was no problem according to GOG, as long as you treat it like a physical copy, that is, you dont't play that game until your friend "returns" it. Am I right?
Even if that is true, the problem I personally see with that is, how do you make sure your friend "returns" it, ie. does not leave a copy hanging around, or doesn't share it further with his friends?

One way to try to control that could be that it is you who goes to install the game on your friend's PC, and uninstalls it from there too. Ie. don't share the installers, at least. (no that doesn't necessarily stop sharing or keeping the game, but at least makes it a bit more inconvenient when you can't share the original installers).

When there is no DRM doing the control, it should be you who is attempting to control the item you purchased.´
Post edited December 16, 2012 by timppu
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timppu: Yet, somehow you managed to think that preferring DRM-free, and agreeing with not to sell, trade, torrent-share etc. your DRM-free purchases are contradicting?
Another thing I didn't say. It seems you have trouble taking posts literally and prefer to just 'read between the lines' the stuff you want to read?

I'm just surprised to see that on Steam there seems to be a large group that feels that trading/selling/giving away digital games you buy (own) is an inherent consumer right, just like it's possible with retail games and mostly anything else you can buy.

This argument would seem particularly suited to a forum like GOG where people who argue consumer rights a lot (particularly but not exclusive to DRM-free) tend to gather. Yet this particular discussion generally doesn't seem to get much traction on these forums.

In simpler terms. I'm surprised a group of people who regularly passionately defend consumer rights don't seem to particularly do so for this one. Nowhere did I say it was contradicting which you falsely deduced.
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Pheace: This argument would seem particularly suited to a forum like GOG where people who argue consumer rights a lot (particularly but not exclusive to DRM-free) tend to gather. Yet this particular discussion generally doesn't seem to get much traction on these forums.
So you mean to say that you never claimed there is a contradiction with not liking DRM and not demanding resales/trading of used GOG (=DRM-free) games, but that you feel people who don't like DRM should logically also demand resales/trading of used GOG (=DRM-free) games?

I still fail to see why such second-hand sales demands would fit especially well in GOG. It is quite the opposite actually, read below. (Yet, I do recall quite many people also in GOG forums demanding just that, ie. all digital items (DRM-free games included) should be tradeable and resellable goods).

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Pheace: In simpler terms. I'm surprised a group of people who regularly passionately defend consumer rights don't seem to particularly do so for this one.
Maybe these people understand that in order for reselling and trading of digital items to work in practise, there would have to be stringent DRM. In simpler terms, second-hand market/trading and DRM-free don't sit well together.

On the other hand, on sites like Steam where there indeed is DRM to control who plays what and when, a trading or reselling system could be easily created. so it is more understandable such arguments are made in Steam forums. Doesn't greenmangaming.com have something like that already?
Post edited December 16, 2012 by timppu
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timppu: Maybe these people understand that in order for reselling and trading of digital items to work in practise, there would have to be stringent DRM. In simpler terms, second-hand market/trading and DRM-free don't sit well together.
Digital trade ins would be nice, but I understand why they aren't here. There is no way you could force people to stop using a game unless there was some kind of DRM/Client system in place.

DRM Free is important to me because it is about not restricting you from playing your games. Internet connection out? Client got updated and no longer supports your spare system's OS? Terms of Service changed and locked out your games unless you accept? Account closed because of a glitch or billing error? None of that happens with DRM Free games. That is where the consumer's rights portion comes in.

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timppu: Doesn't greenmangaming.com have something like that already?
Yes they have "digital trade-ins" for games tied to their client. Once you pick that option, the game is removed from your playable games list and you get however much credit placed into your account.
Well Actually you could make a trade system here too, if it's based on trust.
Considering everyone who'se here is trusted not to share games in the first place, there could be made a system to move games from one user to another (maybe via a special request form, and maybe limited to only games that were gifted* in the first place),
And the original holder will be trusted not to keep the old files on his computer.

* I reckon most people here wouldn't be "fine" with using someone else's gift, even if they were the one gifting it in the first place. Most likely this will mainly be a "try before you buy" function like playing a demo, and if the game proves worthy they'll most likely invest and buy it for themselves and then they may ask to move the "gift" to someon else or dismiss it alltogether. Then again, I don't really see the gain of providing such a system.
For those who wish to try there are always cracked alternatives.