But he gave us no input today (game day). He only came to tell us to leave him alone but if he wants to survive this he should try to help the town and not go against it.
@stuart; could you at least give us some your reads or something?

@itai - can I ask you why you think me hammering a Survivor (at best a neutral role) and a Mafia puts me at the top of your scum list please?

First, on D1 you also wanted to hammer, and CrazyBear was town (post #410).
D2 was Red_Baron, and I completely agree this lynch was on a no brainer and everyone who were still voting for Muttly gained a nice chunk of mafia points. However, you registered the hammer before nmillar could respond to Baron's name.
About D3, I don't have any problems with the target, but I suspect it was an elaborate scheme carried by Joe and you to look town.
Finally, I think you are trying really hard to participate in every lynch - lyncher maybe?

And just to make it clear, I don't think hammer vote is more suspicious than any other vote, because everyone on the wagon are responsible for the lynch - but in your case they seem hasted.

I have a problem with this, more in regards to Joe than Robb. If the Mafia was going to bus somebody, why would they bus the person who gives them daytalk? They would have to have damn good roles they didn't want to give up. I understand how Robb could still be scum due to joining in after the lie is revealed, but I absolutely don't see Joe being scum in this scenario due to being the entire reason Pazzer was lynched.

Okay, So I have caught up. Instead of commenting on the plethora of information I will simply post my current reads.

Joe - Dont trust him as far as I can throw him. However his end results at this point at least put him to the end of the line.

Vitek - Can totally see the Godfather role here. I dont believe it at this point yet however, so also at the end of the line.

TwilightBard - Ehhh. I am not as strongly feeling hes scum as I did before but hes still in my scum pool.

Itai - Again, I am not seeing what you guys are regarding calling him scum. The only scenario I can see is if he is some scum role detector and found me out N1 and latched on to supporting me waiting for a claim as a way to deflect a lynch. Brilliant move instead of trying to mislynch me if it is this. Otherwise, not seeing him as scum at all.

Robbeasy - Still leaning scum. If folks didnt want to credit me with outing Baron as anti-town, then you surely cannot grant him any credit for the hammer. So leaving that out, he hammered Pazzer, to me a guy who was so obvious there was no way he would escape. The perfect target for an own-team lynch to establish credibility.

Peanutbrittle - Still back and forth. I do feel he is a guy who isnt afraid to speak for the most part which to me is at least an initial lean toward town.

Stuart - D1 when he reacted to the near lynch with such rejection I thought it was just new guy tension. But then he returned to speaking again once the pressure was removed. Reapplied D4 and all the sudden he throws up the Looney Tunes barrier again. Now it seems more contrived than before. Top of my scum pool.

Have you forgotten Rule 10?

I came to apologise I am off computer today (and maybe even tomorrow) and I need to read a lot of things before deciding who to vote but it seems there is no one around to care about it.

No kidding. This is a fairly disappointing activity level.

I wonder if Stuart's going to end up replaced. He needs to get in here and defend himself.

Ah I've gotten back from a weekend trip and I was expecting a huge amount to go through. I forget that it slows down on the weekends.
Deadline's just over a week away guys let's not forget.
I might as well supervote Stuart9001 seeing as there's not much I can do in the way of actual action.
(Supervote isn't a thing. But did I scare ya?)

Hey well I know that we're all trusting that Vitek's telling the truth when he says Pazzer never addresses Stuart or accuses him of anything. I did do a little bit of reading through earlier but MEH IT WAS SO BORING. Does anyone else fancy double checking in case Vitek is some sort of lying cur? If you want to elect me to do it we can set up a vote I guess. If your going to vote for me to read through the board to double check Vitek could you make sure I can see by like writing "vote joe" in bold or something...

...NO WAIT!-

I'm bored and there's nothing interesting going on in this thread. Give me around a half hour and I'll get back to you with a second opinion, Joe.

I admit, my concerns come from Day 3 when he made a lot of comments about his support with nothing to really back it up. Yes, he was correct, it would have been a bad move to lynch you and you didn't pick Baron by luck on Day 2, but at the time there was no way of knowing that...unless there's more then we're seeing.

There was nothing to really point out why he thought so. So we're left in a situation that to me is avoidable. When giving reads, explain yourself. If you're an investigative role, this gives you the ability to blend in unless you feel that giving the information out straight is the best answer.

I found his read, fairly interesting, (post 991) for the main reason that, it reads more along the lines of something you can't come to a conclusion from. The only person he has a good belief is town is Muttly, he's weary of the cop confirmed Vitek, he doesn't believe Joe's hint of a power role, I'm not sure when Penut claimed something (I must have missed it), and etc. It's saying stuff, but at the same time, it's mostly saying that almost everyone is suspicious. There feels like there's very little explanation and it's hard to try to see where he's coming from. It felt like he side-stepped the question entirely.

That's how I feel, I could be reading this wrong, but that's how my brain seems to be connecting things.

This started as a thorough analysis of Stuart/Pazzer interactions (or lack thereof). But it is five in the morning, so it devolved into an overtired Penut's random read through. I may have missed a few bits and pieces, but this should be good enough in combination with what Vitek was saying. Enjoy before it gets any longer.

Day 1
- No interaction beyond Jefequeso supporting Stuart's wagon on Crazybear at first.
- Jefequeso pushes a case for Zchinque, Stuart does not join in.
- Pazzer replaces Jefequeso. Doubles back on Vitek when he votes Stuart.
- Pazzer calls Stuart's looming lynch "a shame". General distaste about everyone lynching an active and new player over a lurker. Identical argument to what Stuart says right before he shuts down and calls his lynch inevitable, just a few posts up. Possible co-ordination? Or am I reading into this too much...
- Crazybear is lynched. Both are on the wagon. Crazybear is town. Of course, so are many others, including Vitek, Joe and me. Robb claims he would have voted if needed.

My thought? They're less careful about disguising coordination and helping each other out due to more people being around period. (Side note: Hot damn I wish I was paying closer attention to the game during the holidays. Stuart's "defence" (which I didn't really get at first because of the awkward quoting errors) of the contradiction Zchinque points out is almost slightly crazy. I'm sure it's just me reading scummy activity into someone I think is scum, but it's worth a read anyway.)

Day 2
- Zchinque dies. RIP, you crazy diamond. Stuart immediately says he's being framed.
- Zero interaction between either player on day 2. Seriously. Pazzer mentioned Stuart's name maybe twice, usually to refer to the way Baron or Itai voted for him right away. Stuart doesn't even do that much.
- Once the full on Baron v. Muttly and then the Baron v. me posts begin, both Stuart and Pazzer disappear almost completely aside from both voting for Baron pretty much right away. Then, for about 100+ posts, both post exactly once (Stuart once more after the vote but before the lynch) and Baron is strung up.

Day 3
- Both join in on pressuring Muttly. Pazzer begins his feud with Robbeasy. Pazzer also names Itai as Muttly's hypothetical scumbuddy.
- Pazzer (interestingly) presses Muttly's claim and "ridiculous" and "false". While not news to most of us, it sure does make me feel better about trusting you, Muttly old pal.
- Little bit where Stuart asks Pazzer for clarification. Nothing important, but I'm adding it for completeness. (Ha, as if this is complete. I'm so tired.)
- Neat, probably too meta thing I noticed. I called Pazzer out for voting for the town cop. He responds saying "Expected mafia to point out my vote" and then states that town don't lie, and when they say their vote is on one person for the day, it stays. Within hours Stuart starts leveling accusations against Vitek for his vote and unvote against Twilight. Eh. After typing that it seems far more tinfoil hat to me, but I'll leave it in.
- Ok, but seriously, neither interact at all until Pazzer is caught in a lie by Joe. Stuart then flips immediately to pazzer.

Reading through these posts, it made me suspect itai just a little bit less than I did, and Robb just a little bit more. Nothing gamechangingly different from what I previously thought.

At this point one thing I find is that almost all of us seem to think Stuart is scum. All of our reads differ beyond that, of course, but as far as I can tell So, in my opinion, if he goes we can reevaluate based on how the night plays out and what role flips up. I have to say, the fact that he's disappeared isn't helping, and I'm super worried about the possibility of a replacement.

I did the softest of claims and said that I had a power role. I was trying to point out that this is definitely a power role heavy game to the people that were suspicious of the number of claimed roles coming around.

I read Pazzer's posts throughout the game and I think he was largely inactive. I don't think we can learn anything for Pazzer's interactions because they are largely non-existent.

@Penut - If mafia chose to sacrifice Encryptor, one might imagine what else they have in store. When town have 2 doctors, one might imagine what powers the mafia posses.

I am concerned with Stuart lack of posting - Is he alright?
Maybe a ModKill is in order?

Tis true. I don't think anyone here had any significant interactions with Pazzer. I know I didn't. That's why I focused on what they actually did together without speaking together.

I'm 99% sure that Zchinque was the only doctor. You make a good point, but by the time the mafia bussed Pazzer he was already as good as lynched by way of Joe's catching of the lie.

Modkill would make more sense than replacing, but if Stuart is mafia then that's a huge advantage to town, and if he's town that's going to knock down town's numbers and then force us to take a chance lynching someone else.

I just wish he'd come back and realize it's all part of the game.

Are you still alive?
I'll give you 24 hours to reply then I will start looking for a replacement.