And let's not forget all the great board games--uh, sorry, table top games. But, back to the topic, Assad has committed crimes against humanity, no question.

Only one way to reply to that....lol.

Not getting at americans, just that post.

Brave words by somebody who has a muslim as president!

Awesome, bigotry as well.

Do you have anything racist you'd like to say next?
Lmao, score.

he has a point. how come there are certain regions and certain peoples that seem to be more prone to being ruled by tyrants than others? and how come some actually manage to overthrow the hated regime while others never even bother? why should it be our responsibility to 'help' them and not their own?

so Islam is a race now? and pulling the race card in a discussion instantly makes you a dead duck. it's like holding up a giant cardboard sign saying "I don't have any arguments at all!!!"...

what Islamic country isn't a hellhole, then? or let's make it easier: what Islamic country is at least comparable to Western standards when it comes to politics, ethics, separation of state and church, basic human rights, public service, infrastructure, military control, police control, etc.?

any Islamic country you'd actually rather live in? why don't you go ahead? we let them build Mosques here. how many Islamic countries let the local Christians build churches?

That's funny because one of us in this conversation has volunteered for a couple of years for humanitarian organizations in various, foreign nations and one of us hasn't. I wonder which of us did that and which didn't...

As for "slandering" religious people, yeah, I don't let people hide bigotry, misogyny, and other bullshit behind "religious freedom". If you're an asshole, you're an asshole, I don't give a fuck if you think god told you to be an asshole.

If you can't see why you're cherry picking particular shit holes to reinforce your bigotry you're not terribly insightful in addition to being a biggot. How come you can't see that Christianity only makes countries into shit holes like Rwanda and Serbia? Can you see the logical flaw now?

Frankly I'll not be shocked that you don't.
No, I clearly said bigotry. I figured since he'd been getting more and more offensive, racism would be next.
You realize there's fucking Christians in Iraq, right? Before we invaded, yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_in_Iraq Pull your head out of your ass and enlighten yourself.

As for the US, no I fucking don't want to live here either. If I could get my daughter out of this hellhole I'd have already left.

EDIT: Fred_DM, I just realized you misconstrued my 2 sentence post. Really? Fuck, dude, how long did it take you to type that? You didn't have 15 extra seconds to re-read what I said and even comprehend it?

I'm to lazy and tired to respond to this. Let's just take Turkey as an example. Or the Lebanon, Beirut is not without reason called the Paris of the middle east. Indonesia is also very western in many regards. Especially considering it's geographical drawbacks. And then we have those little emirates like Katar or Kuwait.

And the current generation of young Iranians is actually a lot better educated than most "western counterparts". I've learnt quite a lot about Hegel and Kant from an iranian philosophy student.

The middle east is fascinating area to travel and visit. Although my Syria trip is put on hold for now. I don't like northern africa however. And I wouldn't oppose the bombing of Morokko that much.

All in all the current shape, especially of the middle east is the meddling of former colonial powers and the cold war. Who knows how Iran would look today without Operation Ajax, or Afghanistan without the soviet invasion (it was very modern in the 70s, more progressive than some parts of the US actually). Keeping Wahhabi extremists in power in Saudi Arabia wasn't really a smart move to begin with. Oh, and backing that upstart Saddam in Iraq to combat Iran in one of the gruel wars since WW2 didn't really help progress in the area.

All said and done, misconceptions about islamic nations and the middle east are quite common in the west (or east, or far east for that matter).

You, sir, win my OG Gold Medal of Patience for such a response when tired:)

Here's the thing, in a normal environment, sure it would be possible maybe for a people to overthrow a tyrant, But.... Not when the tyrant is armed, financed and politically entrenched by foreign powers.

And the proverbial has begun to hit the fan.

Please stop taking chunks out of eachother, these discussions dont need racist or bigoted coments nor the need to attack eachother.

Remember this was supposed to be opinions on if you believe that the conflict in syria ia war crimes, crimes against humanity etc.

You're a straight up bigoted idiot. For every one of those you dig up and paste anyone can google up one of "Christians" doing the same shit. Seriously, I forget, was it muslims perpetrating genocide in Rwanda because another group of muslims had a different view on the holy trinity? Oh wait that was Christians murdering Christians! What about Serbia, that was muslims murdering the defenseless Christians, right? Oh shit, it was Christians murdering Muslims!

There's a difference between you and me, you don't tolerate bigotry and viciousness from people who are "different" from you, I just simply don't tolerate bigotry and viciousness. And make no mistake, you are bigoted and vicious both.

I'll defend your right to speak your mind, but you don't get immunized from people pointing out that you spew hateful, spiteful, small minded shit.

You're a bigoted, intolerant ass. Why don't you join the "civilized" world that you claim to like so much?

I dislike bigotry and intolerance no matter where it lies, Christianity is generating most of the bigotry that comes from the US. There is no "loves Islam or Christianity" for me, I tolerate members of both religions when they refrain from being destructive to those around them.

The reason I don't like you is that you foment bigotry and destruction. You're not teaching any of the things your Jesus taught, you just cherry pick those few parts of the Bible that support your preconceived notions. That's not surprise really, I always find more people that have actually read said Bible in the average prison yard than at a church service.

And I thought I'd made it clear that I cannot get my daughter out of the US. That's it, end of story, I'd abandon the US if I could, but I can't without abandoning her and that's not gonna happen.

I'll have a go on this if I may:

You can claim that your religion is less violent based on a comparative lack on civil war and totalitarian rule in your country. Yet, the number of people murdered each year on your streets is exponentially higher than the number of lives lost recently in the conflicts you sighted in Afghanistan, Libya, etc. There were more gang related deaths in the US last year than the entire decades long conflict in Northern Ireland (oh no wait, bad comparison as they are BOTH Christian nations...).

So what does that make you and your religion using your initial "they bring it upon themselves" yardstick? Has the American public risen up against the people conducting mass killings on your streets? Clearly that's a rhetorical question, as the answer is evidently a resounding no.

Another point to consider is that all of the nations you sighted haven't just developed these problems on their own. The US has been bombing Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya for decades, and it's impossible for anyone to say whether they might have been more or less stable without the chronic mass violence inflicted by your nation.

Just out of curiosity, what education do you have and do you own a passport?

EDIT : Too easy, must resist.