Posted October 22, 2019

clarry
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Themken
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Posted October 22, 2019
There are also things you want support for in the operating system, Windows in this case, but drivers are essential. I have made a motherboard work to 99% with Windows 10 (not my choice of OS for that pc) despite it not having support for 10 by hunting down drivers for each chip from their respective website. That may or may not work. A very new chip is more likely not to have drivers for Windows 7.
Post edited October 22, 2019 by Themken

moobot83
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Posted October 22, 2019

Dark_art_
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Registered: Dec 2017
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Posted October 22, 2019


Usually you can get away to not installing every driver missing, like intel storage stuff or chipset drivers. the pc I'm using don't have all the drivers installed and is fine.
Not sure about newer versions of Win7 but some earlier versions didn't support USB 3 out of the box, let alone m.2 storage (in case you eventually need it).

clarry
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Themken
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Registered: Nov 2011
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Posted October 22, 2019
Windows and Linux (sorry no knowledge BSD nor MacOS) come with some drivers and they may occasionally work even better for you than what you can download. Nothing more annoying when you only have that one computer and the network does not work but there are drivers for that on a bundled dvd... but you have no dvd driver.

StingingVelvet
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Registered: Nov 2008
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Posted October 22, 2019

Worth noting that by that point you could probably get a 3950x for relatively cheap and slot it into the same mobo.

Themken
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Posted October 22, 2019

Dark_art_
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Registered: Dec 2017
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Posted November 14, 2019
Nice news about the 3950x, just checked a couple of reviews and I'm blown away with the efficiency. Holy crap, it uses rougly the same power as the 3900x 12 core part!

Themken
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Registered: Nov 2011
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Posted November 15, 2019
While being a tiny bit slower in some games. Also, not surprisingly it runs out of memory bandwidth with some tasks ('only' dual channel). Nice chip if those two problems do not affect you. The 3900X looks better for gaming on average, partly due to its lower price. Intel's i9-9900KS looks best for gaming, just bring a big watercooler (200W).
This bodes well for the next generation of Threadripper.
This bodes well for the next generation of Threadripper.

Dark_art_
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Registered: Dec 2017
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Posted November 15, 2019
I totally get your point and I love games as much as the other guy but in my opinion, "gaming" is a over rated metric to evaluate CPU performance, as we all know, "modern games" run on mostly GPU. By this I mean PC games are designed to max out the GPU, never ever the cpu. Some stuff run on the CPU and can help fps but usually very little.
Anything in ~10% fps is the same in my opinion and if I turned the fps counter off, will never know the difference. Even if there is 10% difference, lowering a graphic setting, will probably do the trick. How many of us can discern "ambient occlusion" on ultra or in high while trying to beat the game?
Regarding price, for a long time the best investment is not on the high end. The last "gaming" pc I built costed nearly as much as the 3950x alone, including a IPS 144Hz monitor, i5 9400f and GTX 1660 Super and it can run games ok :D
Many of us are here for the old games and they run crap compared to today, oh lord, those software controlled mouse cursor wich have like half second lag... We still play them anyway.
Clearly I need sleep!
Anything in ~10% fps is the same in my opinion and if I turned the fps counter off, will never know the difference. Even if there is 10% difference, lowering a graphic setting, will probably do the trick. How many of us can discern "ambient occlusion" on ultra or in high while trying to beat the game?
Regarding price, for a long time the best investment is not on the high end. The last "gaming" pc I built costed nearly as much as the 3950x alone, including a IPS 144Hz monitor, i5 9400f and GTX 1660 Super and it can run games ok :D
Many of us are here for the old games and they run crap compared to today, oh lord, those software controlled mouse cursor wich have like half second lag... We still play them anyway.
Clearly I need sleep!

Themken
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Registered: Nov 2011
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Posted November 15, 2019
This is a website that sells games so I thought I would mention the gaming aspect. Does not detract that the 3950X is a ridiculously powerful chip.

StationaryNomad
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Registered: Mar 2015
From United States
Posted November 15, 2019
A lot of us here are on tight budgets, though. A Ryzen 7 or 9 is definitely out of my budget. I'd like to hear some personal accounts of gaming with Ryzen 3 (and even Athlon 200ge!) CPUs. Anyone got info on the lower-end Ryzens? I'm trying to plan out a new build and will probably be looking in that price range.

Dark_art_
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Registered: Dec 2017
From Portugal
Posted November 15, 2019

If you don't plan to use integrated GPU and don't mind Intel look at the i3 9100f, wich tend to be a little faster.
Even the Pentium 5400 is better value than the 200ge, TBH never understand the hype on that chip.
Post edited November 15, 2019 by Dark_art_

StingingVelvet
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Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted November 15, 2019

Anything in ~10% fps is the same in my opinion and if I turned the fps counter off, will never know the difference. Even if there is 10% difference, lowering a graphic setting, will probably do the trick. How many of us can discern "ambient occlusion" on ultra or in high while trying to beat the game?
In other words I think any Ryzen above a 2600/3600 is just fine for games, unless you're trying to get 240fps in CS:GO. However an old 4 core Intel 6600 or whatever is going to have issues.