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General discussionCan somebody explain GOG vs Steam DRM?(125 posts)(125 posts)
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Posted August 23, 2019
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MarkoH01: Promising devs that they will pay if the game does not sell as expected has nothing to do with free market - it's corruption of market mechanics imo.
If they're not doing anything illegal then the "free market" is not what you like to believe it is.

As I see it, the only thing that's anti-customer* is DRM.
*consumer is a ridiculous word; the only people that never buy anything are those that live in a tree in the woods. Why are we replacing the word "people" with "consumers"?
Posted August 23, 2019
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MarkoH01: Promising devs that they will pay if the game does not sell as expected has nothing to do with free market - it's corruption of market mechanics imo.
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teceem: If they're not doing anything illegal then the "free market" is not what you like to believe it is.

As I see it, the only thing that's anti-customer* is DRM.
*consumer is a ridiculous word; the only people that never buy anything are those that live in a tree in the woods. Why are we replacing the word "people" with "consumers"?
Simple, because you have to differentiate between the customer/consumer side and the publisher/developer side.
Also, if you think, revoking consumer rights is not anti consumer we can agree to disagree here ;)

And I'd say I should know what "free market" means after studying economics for some years and yes, I know that in most cases we don't have a free market. However what Epic does is influencing market mechanisms in a way I dislike - I never said that it's illegal, I just said that I don't think it is a nice or good thing to do.
Post edited August 23, 2019 by MarkoH01
Posted August 24, 2019
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50urc3c0d3: EGS: Albeit still has to be installed to be an installer for a game. But once that game it installed, you can completely uninstall EGS.
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GameRager: If true then EGS is better than steam in that regard.
It's completely true actually. EGS has no inherent DRM. The shortcuts for each game, by default, are set to seek out the EGS launcher. However, you can make all your own real shortcuts from the real game file.

In fact, it's hilarious when the games are already installed in your PC outside of EGS default directory. If you install EGS, they will show up in your library as not installed. And will only have the option to install the game. Not to launch it. There's no way, even I know of to get the EGS launcher to recognize the game is already installed.
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50urc3c0d3: Well it turns out I was completely wrong in my assessment about EGS being a DRM. They aren't DRM. So them being another Steam is out the window for this very reason.

Therefore, here we have Steam - a DRM with a storefront launcher (albeit devs can opt out of the DRM feature). GOG is a store that only allows completely DRM-free games. And they are fully browser based with completely optional launcher.

Turns out, EGS is no more than just a storefront launcher. No DRM.

Steam: OK I had to download this bloatware to install my game. Now I can uninstall it, and play my game right? Wrong! Steam has to stay installed for as you want to be playing the game. And run while you play.

EGS: Albeit still has to be installed to be an installer for a game. But once that game it installed, you can completely uninstall EGS.
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eric5h5: This is false. Epic store is exactly as DRMed as Steam is, no more and no less. There are DRM-free games on Steam where you can download them, then delete Steam entirely and still play the games. (Since you apparently missed it the first time: https://steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games) Meanwhile, there are games on Epic's store where if you delete the Epic launcher, you cannot play. How is that any different?
Because what you're saying doesn't exist. The only games that require EGS launcher are (naturally) free online games. Any normal game you buy has no attachment to EGS. Beause EGS has no inherent DRM. The only thing is the shortcut they give you by default, will try to launch EGS. However, you can completely uninstall EGS, and launch all your games from their actual directory just like any GOG game.

In terms of 'installer', true enough, there isn't one. You do have to install EGS launcher to purchase/install a game. This, however, isn't a DRM. It's just the installation interface they stick you with. But once it's installed. EGS is absolutely not requiired.
Post edited August 24, 2019 by 50urc3c0d3
Posted August 24, 2019
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50urc3c0d3: Because what you're saying doesn't exist. The only games that require EGS launcher are (naturally) free online games. Any normal game you buy has no attachment to EGS. Beause EGS has no inherent DRM. The only thing is the shortcut they give you by default, will try to launch EGS. However, you can completely uninstall EGS, and launch all your games from their actual directory just like any GOG game.

In terms of 'installer', true enough, there isn't one. You do have to install EGS launcher to purchase/install a game. This, however, isn't a DRM. It's just the installation interface they stick you with. But once it's installed. EGS is absolutely not requiired.
Just to prevent confusion. This still doesn't mean the game might not have DRM, it just means it's not tied to EGS. Metro Exodus still launched with Denuvo for instance.
Posted August 24, 2019
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rjbuffchix: Turns out, this post basically confirms you are here to shill for EFS as others have accused.
Ya which nobody has accused, and definitely not reading anything else from you. IDK how to block. So feel free to get lost if you want to abuse.
Posted August 24, 2019
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rjbuffchix: Turns out, this post basically confirms you are here to shill for EFS as others have accused.
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50urc3c0d3: Ya which nobody has accused, and definitely not reading anything else from you. IDK how to block. So feel free to get lost if you want to abuse.
No offense was meant, and I think I may have typed the most detailed exchanges back-and-forth in response to you this thread :) But I guess this is now a convenient way for discussion to shut down. I do stand by my posts (which can't be summarized by that attention-getting line you quoted).

DRM stores are not worth getting excited over, and EFS are copying multiple of Scheme's strategies making them functionally equivalent on these levels. Launcher requirement, buying up exclusives...textbook plays from like 15 years ago. Another user already pointed out earlier that Scheme is technically "DRM-neutral" too.

Only a very small fraction of devs/pubs pick the "DRM-free" option on these "DRM-neutral stores." If EFS wanted to be bold and get me as a customer, they'd need a full DRM-free store. Since that won't happen, go ahead and enjoy it for what it is, and I will happily get lost...far, far away from it, Scheme, and other DRMed stores.
Posted August 24, 2019
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AB2012: snip
Amazing post!
Posted August 24, 2019
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50urc3c0d3: Because what you're saying doesn't exist. The only games that require EGS launcher are (naturally) free online games. Any normal game you buy has no attachment to EGS.
False. Fortnite, for example, will not run without the launcher. It's totally irrelevant if it's free or not...if a free game requires the launcher, that obviously means it has inherent DRM and there's nothing whatsoever preventing a paid game from requiring it too. Such as Subnautica. Apparently you can trick that one into running without the launcher, but it still has DRM and requires an Epic account regardless of whether the launcher runs or not.
However, you can completely uninstall EGS, and launch all your games from their actual directory just like any GOG game.
Wrong, as demonstrated above.
Posted August 25, 2019
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Cyker: The singluar reason GOG is still around is that they have a USP that nobody else has had the guts to try, and that is their hard No DRM stance.
They could have had a monopoly on good old games instead of letting other groups poach them.
Posted August 25, 2019
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50urc3c0d3: Because what you're saying doesn't exist. The only games that require EGS launcher are (naturally) free online games. Any normal game you buy has no attachment to EGS.
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eric5h5: False. Fortnite, for example, will not run without the launcher. It's totally irrelevant if it's free or not...if a free game requires the launcher, that obviously means it has inherent DRM and there's nothing whatsoever preventing a paid game from requiring it too. Such as Subnautica. Apparently you can trick that one into running without the launcher, but it still has DRM and requires an Epic account regardless of whether the launcher runs or not.

However, you can completely uninstall EGS, and launch all your games from their actual directory just like any GOG game.
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eric5h5: Wrong, as demonstrated above.
As demonstrated nowhere. So completely correct that EGS can be completely uninstalled. They only exceptions are online games. yet every normal game that you buy off of EGS works normally. Of course, I don't know of anybody who has tested every single one. Yet never has there been one found that required EGS to work.
Posted August 25, 2019
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50urc3c0d3: As demonstrated nowhere. So completely correct that EGS can be completely uninstalled. They only exceptions are online games. yet every normal game that you buy off of EGS works normally. Of course, I don't know of anybody who has tested every single one. Yet never has there been one found that required EGS to work.
Subnautica is not an online game. It's single-player only. So, saying "never has there been one found that required EGS to work" is objectively wrong. Stop making false claims please.
Posted August 25, 2019
You can't spell DRM-free without DRM. Think about it!
Posted August 25, 2019
You can't spell "drama" without DRM either....
Posted August 25, 2019
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eric5h5: You can't spell "drama" without DRM either....
Nor Doraemon

Think about it
Posted August 25, 2019
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50urc3c0d3: Because what you're saying doesn't exist. The only games that require EGS launcher are (naturally) free online games.
Nice to hear this. So in fact I WILL be able to play my Heavy Rain and Beyond Two Souls Denuvo ridden games without EGS. I guess I should contact support then because for me this is not possible.
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