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Doomjedi: By literal definition when it's due to pressure from a totalitarian state's literal state organs making that demand, it is.

But I wouldn't expect a Wumao like yourself to understand.
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XYCat: Next time some dev's game doesn't get through GOG's curation, advise them to claim that GOG is obligated to sell their game because otherwise they'd be violating "freedom of expression"
China's dislike of Devotion has nothing to do with this decision right. Do you honestly think playing dump makes you look smart?
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McMicroDonalds: Judging from these likes and dislikes, I'm starting to think that we're not just dealing with trolls.
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GamezRanker: No, it's the same behavior I saw before in other topics....it's more likely the forum trolls are using bots to low rate those that side with the OP and uprate those who side against the OP.

(usually it happens more in threads that are critical of GOG or things the trolls seem to like, or which post topics the forum trolls dislike on "their forums")
That' could be true, but again I'm seeing a pattern here that I just can't ignore.
Post edited December 30, 2020 by McMicroDonalds
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*The wishlist entry link for Devotion, for those that want it, is in Post 42 ITT*

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McMicroDonalds: That' could be true, but again I'm seeing a pattern here that I just can't ignore.
It's the more likely explanation, tbh....as it's been done on other non-devotion topics here over the years. I don't think chinese people and supporters have been doing it on other topics for that long....makes less sense.
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McMicroDonalds: Judging from these likes and dislikes, I'm starting to think that we're not just dealing with trolls. Perhaps Chinese agents? All the more reason we should push for this. Also yeah if China is sore enough to ban Winnie the Pooh, you can bet they're involved here.
People are tired of YaDT - Yet another Devotion thread, simple as that. Devotion is probably a great game, it would be really cool if it was released here, but there are reasons it isn't which are bigger than us, move on and get over it.

We really have enough threads discussing the issue, and it's fine if they stay on top for people speaking their mind, but opening another thread, and another is just spam. There is no new insight to be gained, we all already know.

It's just this: https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f38/272925d1576710869-closing-account-dramatic-exit.jpg
And most of them are, I suspect, simply a flag-waving lies. Wait for the next big sale, and you'll see.

And let's be honest, we all know that human rights and free speech are serious issues in China, and we all know that GOG isn't going to change that. And I guess there are no bots involved, sane people are simply sick of the forum spam, especially since much of it is simply saturated with "new red scare" propaganda which has - if you're being honest - no roots in reality. Because reality is complex, and very grey, and the world is full of hypocrites, who fail to see the beam in their own eye - and I'm not excluding myself from that, because, that's just how people are.
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toxicTom: People are tired of YaDT - Yet another Devotion thread, simple as that.
Fair enough, but that doesn't mean said people need to enter threads and mock people and the topic ad nauseum.

If they think the thread doesn't belong here they should either filter it(with the extensions) or report it(if they feel the need to).

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toxicTom: Devotion is probably a great game, it would be really cool if it was released here, but there are reasons it isn't which are bigger than us, move on and get over it.
One could say the same for those who are sick of the threads being here.

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toxicTom: We really have enough threads discussing the issue, and it's fine if they stay on top for people speaking their mind, but opening another thread, and another is just spam.
I agree these threads should be curtailed a bit.....if only to not spread people's posts too thin or clutter the forums.

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toxicTom: There is no new insight to be gained, we all already know.
If the GOG DLer threads proved one thing, they showed that not everyone finds out about things at the same time....those topics, for example, had people saying they just found out months after the fact.

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toxicTom: And I guess there are no bots involved, sane people are simply sick of the forum spam
So I guess posts normally go mass low rated in under 4 minutes and most others go high in the same time...all because of normal users rating posts?

(The no basis in reality bit, which I snipped, I call b-s on as well....but not gonna get into that one as it's against tos)
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I may be wrong here but IIRC, every business in the real world has a right to refuse service. In this case GOG I think does reserve the right to refuse releasing a game here.

Wether we like it or not, they made a business decision. Maybe their PR could use some work, but I don't understand this vilification of GOG. They didn't deserve that.

Freedom of expression and right to voice your opinion are very important rights that belong to every human being. But using common sense and common decency when communicating these opinions are just as important. We've come a long way from the savage beings of our past, let us not regress.

This reminds of a story of a Hero and a Villain.

- The Hero spends their entire life doing heroic deeds for the kingdom, but one act of perceived villainy and they fall from grace in the eyes of the people.

- The Villain commits the most atrocious deeds throughout the kingdom, but one perceived heroic act and they are suddenly raised on a pedestal by these same people.

GOG is neither a hero nor a villain, they are a business that puts out games that we consumers buy because they are DRM free.

Developers and publishers are smart people or we would not be enjoying the games we have been so far. They are also smart enough to know what can affect their business, both positive and negative.

There are many places to express political jokes, inside a game was probably not the most wisest choice.

Each country has it's own standards and their own way of governing, including the people that govern it. There are pleny of things each government or country does that other countries view unfavorably. That's the nature of our world.

If you're in a country that allows you to express yourself without fear, be glad for it. Bridging the gap to a peaceful world is not an easy thing, my own country is a good example of that this year, but I am still thankful to be a part of it.

Develop a game however you want, but remember this when you include politics or religion. Our world is becoming more volatile when it comes to these two aspects, so strengthen your heart and hope for the best if you do decide to choose this path.

Just for the record, I don't personally dislike anyone here. What I do dislike is conversations that can't maintain some common decency and civility. I'd like to think we all have a hero inside ourselves.

[On a side note: Opening up multiple threads on the same subject does not speed up the delays GOG is already facing. Have a heart and continue the discussion in the already exsisting numerous threads on the subject]
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dycaite: Usually takes all of 2 minutes for any of my posts to become low rated. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if that was the reason.
Chink invasion.
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gog2002x: I may be wrong here but IIRC, every business in the real world has a right to refuse service. In this case GOG I think does reserve the right to refuse releasing a game here.
They have that right to refuse service, and imo people have the right to complain about it(albeit preferably in a civil mature fashion).

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gog2002x: Wether we like it or not, they made a business decision. Maybe their PR could use some work, but I don't understand this vilification of GOG. They didn't deserve that.
It's more a criticism of GOG than a vilification.
(at least for a good number of those posting things critical of GOG's latest decision)
Also to some, it is well deserved.

Others are free to disagree, though...but they should do so without resorting to things like name calling and etc.

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gog2002x: Freedom of expression and right to voice your oppinion are very important rights that belong to every human being. But using common sense and common decency when communicating these oppinions are just as important. We've come a long way from the savage beings of our past, let us not regress.
I agree....people on both sides should try to remain civil when expressing criticism of other people's stances and/or GOG's decision.

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gog2002x: There are many places to express political jokes, inside a game was probably not the most wisest choice.
Games, films, other media all push such things(jokes and more) all the time over the last decade or so. GOG even sells a few games that profit from current events(like the covid sim).

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gog2002x: Just for the record, I don't personally dislike anyone here. What I do dislike is conversations that can't maintain some common decency and civility. I'd like to think we all have a hero inside ourselves.
Well said. Both sides have users that could be handling themselves a bit better.
Post edited December 30, 2020 by GamezRanker
They chose to become complicit in China's censorship. Nothing else to be said on that.
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toxicTom: People are tired of YaDT - Yet another Devotion thread, simple as that. Devotion is probably a great game, it would be really cool if it was released here, but there are reasons it isn't which are bigger than us, move on and get over it.
This might be old to some but it’s new to others, such as me. I was generally surprised to find that GOG of all places delisted this game.

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toxicTom: And let's be honest, we all know that human rights and free speech are serious issues in China, and we all know that GOG isn't going to change that. And I guess there are no bots involved, sane people are simply sick of the forum spam, especially since much of it is simply saturated with "new red scare" propaganda which has - if you're being honest - no roots in reality. Because reality is complex, and very grey, and the world is full of hypocrites, who fail to see the beam in their own eye - and I'm not excluding myself from that, because, that's just how people are.
That is the one of the weakest excuses I’ve heard in years.
human rights and free speech are not an issue IN China they’re an issue FROM China. Just like Covid. People are sick of hearing about it? Well I’m sick of dealing with it. Also you’re wrong, China is doing something about it. They’re getting more aggressive. That is the reality and only a fool would ignore it.
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McMicroDonalds: This might be old to some but it’s new to others, such as me. I was generally surprised to find that GOG of all places delisted this game.
I'm not against discussing the issues, but we certainly don't need 10 threads about it. Ruminating the same arguments over and over again.
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McMicroDonalds: This might be old to some but it’s new to others, such as me. I was generally surprised to find that GOG of all places delisted this game.
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toxicTom: I'm not against discussing the issues, but we certainly don't need 10 threads about it. Ruminating the same arguments over and over again.
I don't think all the threads are the same, I don't want this to be ignored. Also someone is really screwing with the like/dislike system on this website.
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toxicTom: I'm not against discussing the issues, but we certainly don't need 10 threads about it.
There are maybe 5-6 threads at most, and several of them slid off of page 1 by now.
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toxicTom: I'm not against discussing the issues, but we certainly don't need 10 threads about it.
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GamezRanker: There are maybe 5-6 threads at most, and several of them slid off of page 1 by now.
For a time my comment got a high rating lol here's proof https://imgur.com/a/q1Uqgxn
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GamezRanker: There are maybe 5-6 threads at most, and several of them slid off of page 1 by now.
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McMicroDonalds: For a time my comment got a high rating lol here's proof https://imgur.com/a/q1Uqgxn
ignore it, the rep here is completely meaningles and pointless. it is badly implemented and gOg will not do anything about it. The only value it has is the one you fix to it yourself.

Personally, I use an addon which removes rep completely. I do not see anyones rep, nor can I upvote or downvote. I have no idea what my rep is. And i do not care. It makes the forum much better.
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McMicroDonalds: For a time my comment got a high rating lol here's proof https://imgur.com/a/q1Uqgxn
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amok: ignore it, the rep here is completely meaningles and pointless. it is badly implemented and gOg will not do anything about it. The only value it has is the one you fix to it yourself.

Personally, I use an addon which removes rep completely. I do not see anyones rep, nor can I upvote or downvote. I have no idea what my rep is. And i do not care. It makes the forum much better.
I know but it's nice to have just a little proof that it's busted.