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Posted July 06, 2021
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Zrevnur: But from my POV part of the point of such a boycott is "to change the world" so that an otherwise/previously "sensible" business decision becomes a questionable or bad business decision. In the end whether such a business decision is (financially speaking) sensible or not solely depends on the reaction of the market. So from that perspective the idea is to change the market so that the business becomes (in terms of the decisions it makes) more likable to the boycotters.
If everybody acts like you ("I will take whatever is thrown at me") then its a financially sensible business decision. But if everybody acts like the boycotters ("I will boycott due to such perceived wrongdoings") then its a financially bad business decision. Ultimately from a financial perspective this is a numbers game. But OTOH if no one ever starts something like a boycott (I am not referring to the organization of such a boycott) then the business has absolute power and gets away with whatever it wants.
Very well said. It is in the interests of consumers to make business decisions that they find objectionable or anti-ethical be bad business decisions.
Posted July 06, 2021
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Crosmando: Guaranteed that 90% of the people on this board who say they are ""interested"" in Devotion don't give a shit about some obscure low-budget Taiwanese horror game and they are just here to shitpost about China because they got bored of 4chan. That weirdo with the Winnie the Pooh avatar a good example.
This is true across multiple companies that had been behaving badly towards their customers and it wasn't until there was some complaint about China that people made a fuss over it.
Posted July 06, 2021
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Zrevnur: But from my POV part of the point of such a boycott is "to change the world" so that an otherwise/previously "sensible" business decision becomes a questionable or bad business decision. In the end whether such a business decision is (financially speaking) sensible or not solely depends on the reaction of the market. So from that perspective the idea is to change the market so that the business becomes (in terms of the decisions it makes) more likable to the boycotters.
If everybody acts like you ("I will take whatever is thrown at me") then its a financially sensible business decision. But if everybody acts like the boycotters ("I will boycott due to such perceived wrongdoings") then its a financially bad business decision. Ultimately from a financial perspective this is a numbers game. But OTOH if no one ever starts something like a boycott (I am not referring to the organization of such a boycott) then the business has absolute power and gets away with whatever it wants.
I like numbers games. As a Linux gamer, I've learned to live with being represented by a tiny market share. Even then we do pretty well, despite the 0.8% of us.

I read somewhere that to start enacting meaningful change, i.e. have a chance at changing the way people thought or acted, you only need to mobilise about 3% of the population. It seems far off for you guys, but maybe one day you'll get there.

I have little hope GOG will do anything about it though even if you reach the critical threshold, they're not the most...active video game distributor around, nor that successful in the market to not be bullied by market forces.

Still, I'm really amazed at your ability to not buy more games and play them, due to such a seemingly irrelevant thing. I guess I kinda respect that, even if I don't really understand it.
Posted July 12, 2021
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rojimboo: I have little hope GOG will do anything about it though even if you reach the critical threshold, they're not the most...active video game distributor around, nor that successful in the market to not be bullied by market forces.
But if a boycott does reach a 'critical threshold' (not trying to imply that that is necessary for a boycott to be successful in some form or manner) then it does become one of those 'market forces'. And thus GOG would then be prone to being "bullied" by this market force?
Posted July 12, 2021
My guess has been that a huge stink was made over not allowing Devotion to be sold here and Chinese gamers supposedly butthurt over it is more....the credit system they have in their country now and how it continues to change. The more someone 'rats out' someone else for does something that seems to look good for their country get more points for their behavior and actions. This can mean more food and other such things per person or households. Since large majority aren't living in good or passable conditions, they are very much desperate. ..and you get less points or deducted over time if you aren't doing anything or enough the government expects of you.

Right now, anything such as this game getting attention is free points, as I see it. They jump on that quickly to make what they can for some points and maybe head pats from the government.
Posted July 12, 2021
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Arinielle: the credit system they have in their country now
Thing is... contrary to what the 24/7 brainwashing in Western media has told you (probably in an effort to deflect from the scary amount of government surveillance the self-professed "free world" subjects its citizens to), the Chinese have not even implemented that system yet. Last I heard there are a number of different rating systems by various different companies that are still in the testing stage.

In other words, I don't think Chinese internet users have ratted gog out to their government for imaginary good boy points.
Posted July 12, 2021
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Arinielle: the credit system they have in their country now
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fronzelneekburm: Thing is... contrary to what the 24/7 brainwashing in Western media has told you (probably in an effort to deflect from the scary amount of government surveillance the self-professed "free world" subjects its citizens to), the Chinese have not even implemented that system yet. Last I heard there are a number of different rating systems by various different companies that are still in the testing stage.

In other words, I don't think Chinese internet users have ratted gog out to their government for imaginary good boy points.
Noted.

I tend to try not to trust just news of any kind. I 'was' seeing some people talking about living there and not being allowed to talk about it much or people that were able to get out of China and be more open. There's only so much anyone can know outside of any country that's spoken about. There's always going to be a lot of different, opposing thoughts and claims from people that are from the countries people hear certain things about as well as everyone outside of those countries saying what they think. World 'news' is very much muddy water.
Posted July 12, 2021
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Arinielle: World 'news' is very much muddy water.
Very true. You (not you personally, this applies to everyone) have to somehow train yourself to keep an open mind and take everything with a grain of salt at the same time.
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