Posted May 05, 2019
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Posted May 05, 2019
dragso: Fade to silence is another titel that requires galaxy !
So why should I buy here on gog ... I can grab it at the next steam sale.
Please give me a reason. I thought GOG is the NONE DRM counterpart to steam.
Actually it just gets very similar. And why should I run another client like steam ?
I would like to get rid of all these clients ... instead gog goes the same route.
BAD ... very bad ...
It's either : So why should I buy here on gog ... I can grab it at the next steam sale.
Please give me a reason. I thought GOG is the NONE DRM counterpart to steam.
Actually it just gets very similar. And why should I run another client like steam ?
I would like to get rid of all these clients ... instead gog goes the same route.
BAD ... very bad ...
a) GOG force the devs to create their own online features from the ground up and not rely on a client API, and then most multiplayer games get never released on GOG because that's too much of a hassle for the devs.
or
b) GOG provide online features on their API similar to Steam and then the devs take the natural easy way of enforcing Galaxy for multiplayer. (the current situation)
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Posted May 05, 2019
spoichiche: It's either :
a) GOG force the devs to create their own online features from the ground up and not rely on a client API, and then most multiplayer games get never released on GOG because that's too much of a hassle for the devs.
or
b) GOG provide online features on their API similar to Steam and then the devs take the natural easy way of enforcing Galaxy for multiplayer. (the current situation)
c) GOG offers an API that implements the functionality devs want for multiplayer but doesn't implement fucking DRM.a) GOG force the devs to create their own online features from the ground up and not rely on a client API, and then most multiplayer games get never released on GOG because that's too much of a hassle for the devs.
or
b) GOG provide online features on their API similar to Steam and then the devs take the natural easy way of enforcing Galaxy for multiplayer. (the current situation)
Post edited May 05, 2019 by clarry
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clarry: c) GOG offers an API that implements the functionality devs want for multiplayer but doesn't implement fucking DRM.
teceem: Offering an API? How does that not relate to DRM (in this context)? You mentioned it, how about giving a practical example? APIs have nothing to do with DRM, they're what a programmer uses when they don't want to implement something themselves. Last I heard, devs use Steam and Galaxy APIs because they (want DRM) are too lazy to implement a server browser or matchmaking or whatever the heck it is (that isn't DRM) that nobody else except Steam and GOG seem to have implemented. None of that requires DRM.
EDIT: I'm checking Steam API docs and it's nothing but a glorified server browser with chat and invitations, plus a library for socket i/o with support for routing crap thru Steam's network. Nothing to do with DRM, except that, conveniently, the matchmaking/lobby API requires users to be authenticated (and I'm sure it can't be utilized unless you own the game in question)... lol.
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/multiplayer/matchmaking
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/multiplayer/game_servers
https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/multiplayer/networking
Post edited May 05, 2019 by clarry
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Posted May 05, 2019
The DRM part isn't because of the API, it's because that's how the devs designed their multiplayer.
Multiplayer without DRM is too limited, because it means you can't really have a global server and can only rely on P2P or private servers.
It will work for some games, but it's not a viable option for every game.
Multiplayer without DRM is too limited, because it means you can't really have a global server and can only rely on P2P or private servers.
It will work for some games, but it's not a viable option for every game.
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Posted May 05, 2019
clarry: APIs have nothing to do with DRM, they're what a programmer uses when they don't want to implement something themselves. Last I heard, devs use Steam and Galaxy APIs because they (want DRM) are too lazy to implement a server browser or matchmaking or whatever the heck it is (that isn't DRM) than nobody else except Steam and GOG seem to offer. None of that requires DRM.
And what about cheating, for example? This isn't 2002 anymore - when multiplayer communities were able to moderate themselves, and expectations were accordingly. It's 2019 and a majority of people would hold the developer/publisher responsible for their gameplay experience on custom servers.Post edited May 05, 2019 by teceem
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Posted May 05, 2019
spoichiche: The DRM part isn't because of the API, it's because that's how the devs designed their multiplayer.
You mean that's how the devs wanted DRM. Multiplayer without DRM is too limited, because it means you can't really have a global server and can only rely on P2P or private servers.
I've never played an online game with DRM, yet I've spent hundreds of hours online on servers that can be accessed by anyone from anywhere on the planet (although people would naturally gravitate towards local or at least continental servers due to ping).
It will work for some games, but it's not a viable option for every game.
Post edited May 05, 2019 by clarry
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Posted May 05, 2019
For me, I am ok with multiplayer requiring galaxy. It simply makes it easier for cross platform and standardization, as long as the single player does remains DRM free. Games like Stellaris, use this to an advanatage as you can play cross platform with Steam.
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teceem: And what about cheating, for example? This isn't 2002 anymore - when multiplayer communities were able to moderate themselves, and expectations were accordingly. It's 2019 and a majority of people would hold the developer/publisher responsible for their gameplay experience on custom servers.
Evidently DRM doesn't stop cheating, so that's a problem you need to solve either way. It's an orthogonal issue. More like a disadvantage as compared to games that require neither galaxy nor steam.
Post edited May 05, 2019 by clarry
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Posted May 05, 2019
teceem: And what about cheating, for example? This isn't 2002 anymore - when multiplayer communities were able to moderate themselves, and expectations were accordingly. It's 2019 and a majority of people would hold the developer/publisher responsible for their gameplay experience on custom servers.
clarry: Evidently DRM doesn't stop cheating, so that's a problem you need to solve either way. It's an orthogonal issue. spoichiche
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Posted May 05, 2019
It will work for some games, but it's not a viable option for every game.
- quality automatic matchmaking. You're gonna need to have all your players to authenticate and connect to a server that'll handle the queue -> requires an official server
- you don't want it to be plague with bots, cheaters and trolls -> requires an official server
- you maybe want to associate rewards to online player performance so you'll need a way to track a user's stats and achievement in the gamemode -> requires an official server
You're gonna need some form of "drm" or rather, an account wether it's Steam, GoG, or a game specific account to log in to that server and be able to enjoy a quality multiplayer.
Of course, for a single player game with a simple coop mode, a P2P design could be more than enough and then there's no need for this type of drm but for a more "feature complete" multiplayer, that's a requirement.
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Posted May 05, 2019
spoichiche: Okay, let's take an example of a game that features an online multiplayer team based pvp gamemode which is i'd say a pretty popular feature nowadays. If you want the users to have a quality experience by 2019 standards, you need quite a few things.
- quality automatic matchmaking. You're gonna need to have all your players to authenticate and connect to a server that'll handle the queue -> requires an official server
- you don't want it to be plague with bots, cheaters and trolls -> requires an official server
- you maybe want to associate rewards to online player performance so you'll need a way to track a user's stats and achievement in the gamemode -> requires an official server
FWIW, I'm more than happy with per-server tracking on unofficial servers. Again, doesn't require DRM or accounts. Servers can share if they care.
You're gonna need some form of "drm" or rather, an account wether it's Steam, GoG, or a game specific account to log in to that server and be able to enjoy a quality multiplayer.
For example, you can make a Torchlight 2 account and play it online and it doesn't give a fuck where you got your game from, or even whether you bought it or not.
That said, you can totally implement all of this without any sort of accounts.
Post edited May 05, 2019 by clarry