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Well, Marko, people could still sue companies that use postponing too much?
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BeatriceElysia: Not to mention some games without delivery date delivered awesome products.
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tinyE: True
DK Forever was never given a specified release date and....yeah okay bad example. :P
Donkey Kong Forever was an awesome game!

Or was that just something I dreamt up?
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tinyE: True
DK Forever was never given a specified release date and....yeah okay bad example. :P
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Maighstir: Donkey Kong Forever was an awesome game!

Or was that just something I dreamt up?
Is that a real game, because I'd play that if it exist.
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Maighstir: Donkey Kong Forever was an awesome game!

Or was that just something I dreamt up?
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tinyE: Is that a real game, because I'd play that if it exist.
When are the Donkey Kong Country games coming to GOG anyway? :P
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tinyE: Is that a real game, because I'd play that if it exist.
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PoppyAppletree: When are the Donkey Kong Country games coming to GOG anyway? :P
the first one is on the SNES Classic.

I suck at games that fast though.
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tinyE: Is that a real game, because I'd play that if it exist.
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PoppyAppletree: When are the Donkey Kong Country games coming to GOG anyway? :P
I heard they'll be included as game goodies here on GOG with the purchase of Half Life 3.
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PoppyAppletree: When are the Donkey Kong Country games coming to GOG anyway? :P
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TARFU: I heard they'll be included as game goodies here on GOG with the purchase of Half Life 3.
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TARFU: I heard they'll be included as game goodies here on GOG with the purchase of Half Life 3.
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tinyE:
That's certainly a donkey, for sure.
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Breja: As always, I don't like the idea of anything being banned. People should just be smart enough not to throw money at this stuff. If they aren't... well, that sucks, but they should be free to waste their money.
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Lifthrasil: Unfortunately stupid people wasting their money often finance business practices that I would prefer not to succeed. DRM for example. Or chopping game content into as many DLC and Episodes as possible instead of one full game.
I would argue that weak-minded people financing bad practices like DRM and DLC would be mitigated, if not even outright eliminated, but for the fact that piracy is banned. Hypothetically, in a future where piracy was not banned, it could act as a check on basically all the bad practices other than maybe regarding some online-based games. So, the "banning things" is still the root of the problem as I see it.

Disclaimer: not a pirate, just making a point/food for thought :)
Post edited July 24, 2018 by rjbuffchix
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Lifthrasil: Unfortunately stupid people wasting their money often finance business practices that I would prefer not to succeed. DRM for example. Or chopping game content into as many DLC and Episodes as possible instead of one full game.
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rjbuffchix: I would argue that weak-minded people financing bad practices like DRM and DLC would be mitigated, if not even outright eliminated, but for the fact that piracy is banned. Hypothetically, in a future where piracy was not banned, it could act as a check on basically all the bad practices other than maybe regarding some online-based games. So, the "banning things" is still the root of the problem as I see it.
That's some digital anarchism right there.
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Breja: As always, I don't like the idea of anything being banned. People should just be smart enough not to throw money at this stuff. If they aren't... well, that sucks, but they should be free to waste their money.
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Lifthrasil: Unfortunately stupid people wasting their money often finance business practices that I would prefer not to succeed. DRM for example. Or chopping game content into as many DLC and Episodes as possible instead of one full game.
Problem is, if we ban something because it could lead to "bad" business practices, then that excuse can be used to ban anything. e.g. "Let's ban violent video games; otherwise this could lead to developers creating games containing even more violence."

I dislike the "sins" of modern gaming industry as much as the next guy here, but I'm completely against having them banned. I'd rather live with such practices (and I know I will always find games from developers who don't follow such practices; if not then my current backlog is enough to last a lifetime anyway) that I would prefer not to succeed, than live with the possibility that someone bans practices that I like but someone else prefers not to succeed. I know for a fact that quite a few people like episodic games or early access; it's not my place to ban them just like it's not their place to ban violent video games that I like but they don't.

Banning should only be done if someone is being hurt directly or mislead, cheated or deceived. In case of pre-orders this is not the case: the buyer is fully aware he is buying a promise that will be delivered on a non-specified date sometime in the future and is willingly paying for it.
Post edited July 24, 2018 by ZFR
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BeatriceElysia: Well, Marko, people could still sue companies that use postponing too much?
As I said only the contract would be invalid so you would maybe get a refund in the end if you don't want to wait any longer. Since in general a valid purchase contract is only existing after paying AND getting the product it might not even be a big problem to cancel such pre orders even without such laws.
Post edited July 24, 2018 by MarkoH01
I think that this is a great and reasonable thing to do to protect costumers, unfortunately protecting them from themselves however.

Now Germany, would you kindly PLEASE make Wolfenstein 3d not illegal to purchase anymore?
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Dray2k: I think that this is a great and reasonable thing to do to protect costumers, unfortunately protecting them from themselves however.

Now Germany, would you kindly PLEASE make Wolfenstein 3d not illegal to purchase anymore?
Before video games are considered to be art as well as movies and books you won't have a chance here. Also it's not illegal to purchase it at all - not even in Germany. It's illegal to sell it in Germany.. there's a difference.