To be honest I didn't even pay that much attention to the PM and I honestly don't even know what tunabeef is (I know what tuna is so I assumed tunabeef is maybe the best part of it's meat or some form of preparation that makes it delicious).


I bolded it in the quote you just responded to :)

Technically it's not impossible but how likely it is the scum just sit back and watch Town burn one of their own without giving at least a bit of a nudge?

Sure, but it still doesn't make sense to go this way, in my opinion.


See above.

From my random observations of various posts it seemed that was the unofficial name we(the player base) were giving the scum team.

To Nmillar: Yes, did I get it right with my guess...in whole or in part? Or wrong?

Tbh I didn't think much about it.....i'm more concerned with actually finding and lynching them.

Read that bit you quoted again. There is a period between the two parts. The first bit is about Joppo....the second about Nmillar.

When Joe started, joppo's wagon was far from given.

I meant I must've missed it the first time you posted it. :)

You mean via votes? Who knows...maybe they're being ultra clever and manipulated us on d1 to throw us off their scent with a non-standard play or set of plays.

If anything is possible, then objectively it should make sense, should it not? :)

Why nudge something that's already going in the diretcion you want?

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if both scum were off wagon. That's what made me slightly suspicious of Pooka: his "there is at least one scum on trent's wagon" made me think that maybe he and his buddy were off, and this would be used as an excuse to "clear" those who weren't on the wagon once one scum is caught.

A few people expressed interest joining it eventually. Joppo not having the actual votes to his name doesn't mean he was not likely to get them as time goes by.

Well, yes. How else? Throwing suspicion without backing it up with a vote wouldn't look that great.

It's possible for each and every one of us to be scum so if we judge things solely by the fact that they are technically not impossible we would likely not progress a whole lot.


That would suggeest the wagon was already going in the direction they wanted to. Which, in turn, would suggest the first few votes on it were Town. Which is a bit LAMIST-y, to be honest.

I hear what you're saying but it just looks "bold" to make this assumption. Do you remember any cases where an early lynch (as in one that required the largest amount of votes to go through) to have been fully Town? I suppose it's not unheard of but I don't think it's an often phenomenon. Then again this whole game is a bit exotic so I don't know.


OK, I'm running really late now so I need to run. If the Day doesn't end while I'm away I'll respond to anything else pointed at me after my guests leave tonight (it's like going to be late night, though).

Fos called and said "Hey, what about me?"

But you might notice and pick up on things that you might have otherwise missed, or contemplate ideas that others wouldn't....which might lead to found scum and/or a victory for town.

Have some fun with yer guests...make sure to serve punch and pie if you've got some.
(I hear tell punch and pie make such functions more fun :))

And one might expect there to be some connection between those two parts separated by a period.

I ask you directly if you thought 'tunafish' referred to town rather than scum and you answer indirectly referring me back to previous posts, but I really would have prefered a direct answer. It makes things much simpler.

Right, okay. So for me you and Joppo (and I thought Gym but he's saying now that he always understood the opposite) the concept of 'tuna' and 'tunafish' could easily have extended to the tunabeefs that are town, whereas to NMillar, ZFR, microfish and Gym the concept of 'tunafish' was so far removed from tunabeefs that it can be used to distinguish scum from town.

I find it a bit baffling, but I spose I've just got to accept it and move on.


However, in all the confusion there's one player who uderstood exactly what I was getting at:

Not only understood, but had further reference to support it that he'd noticed what looks like a day earlier and didn't mention in his two posts since the post he refers to:

I submit to the court this hypothesis:

scumMicrofish: I'm shooting my mouth off about tunafishes.

scumLifthrasil: [internally] quiet you fool! that's priviledged information someone might pick up on it!

scumMicrofish: I continue to talk of tunafishes

scumLifthrasil: [internally] Is it possible they won't see it? Perhaps I should keep quiet about it...

Joe: What's this tunafish?

scumLifthrasil: [internally] THE JIG'S UP, MICRO'S GOING DOWN, GOTTA MAKE SURE I'M NOT TAKEN DOWN WITH HIM! [externally] Wow yes! And look at this which I noticed before which is also evidence against microfish. See how I am one of the people who has uncovered this slip so I can't be on the same team!!

END OF HYPOTHESIS

I know it is possible that microfish did just make up the term tunafish and assume we would all understand what he was talking about. But does the hypothesis excite no-one? Am I to be generally dismissed by all except Lifthrasil? Can LIFTHRASIL truly be the only one who understands me??? IS SUCH A THING POSSIBLE????

At this point I dont feel strong enough to take my vote off joppo as I dont feel confident to build another wagon to this point in the time we have left.

I did want to state that I do feel that joe's scrutiny hold water on micro. Why would micro throw out tunafish instead of "jumping up and down yelling im scum"? We know from sample PM and both dead townies that they are specifically tunaBEEF. Yes joppo made the comment about being tuna but whats to say that he didnt just shorten tunabeef to tuna?

Im going on assumption that the tunabeef is based on cat food flavor. For all we know the scum could be tunachicken to give an example. I just think there is weight to the possibility that micro thought tunafish = scum was a known fact, not realizing that we DONT know what the scum actually are other that they lack beef based on towns(or at least my) win condition.

I also dont get this comment. i get that ZFR kind of had the same thought process and explained himself, but Joe points out a strange comment that micro made and nmillar considers this to be joe and not micro outing themself? If it wasnt for the fact that nmillar voted for micro for lurking I would almost see this as a millar-micro scum team and millar trying to cover for micro's slip.

No kidding. Could it be because this is a townie who is seeing Town getting close to lynch the one person I have zero doubts is Town? Should I be eager to see us waste a day, go down by 2 members and lose whatever those two can contribute to the scumhunt?

You remember me of when you were set on Trent a few games ago. You have a theory and whatever is said that opposes it is instead somehow turned into more "evidence" for you. Like going "that's exactly what a scum would say in this situation" while ignoring that's what a townie would say in the same situation too.
Apparently I should not have defended myself, because doing so is somehow "trying too hard" and the right way to convince people I'm Town is.. doing nothing?

I'd like to point to you my post 389. Specifically the first part.
Basically I just wanted to use a pun: "I am Town" / "I am Tuna" . As I said I almost settled on a middle ground "I am Towna" but abandoned the idea knowing the pun wouldn't be clear enough and would just get dismissed as a typo.

Bear in mind WE DON'T KNOW what the scum team is called. For all we know they could be named BuffalloWings or The Cardboard Steaks. Someone else presented the idea that Tunafish is the name of the scum faction, I never used that term. But someone (Micro) did and either knowingly or by accident has planted the idea of Tunafish = scum which then others somehow jumped to the idea that a word I had never said makes me more suspicious. Go figure.

That first line is perfectly correct. (A not-alignment-indicative slip, but a slip indeed)

Unfortunately that second line is the same level of crazy I've been replying to by the dozen.

Without quotes today.

@Joe: yes, I understand you. When I was scum I had to contend with you so often, that I had to learn how you think! ;-)

And your hypothesis isn't bad. Only wrong. The reason why I didn't react to Micro's 'tunafish' was, because I had at first reading seen nothing suspicious. I read it, as I said, as reaction to my critique of Joppo's use of Tuna. Therefore I saw nothing wrong with it, until, triggered by your reaction to it, I checked to see that Micro apparently didn't read my message by the time he wrote his.

Now he sais, that he did read my questioning of Joppos use of Tuna. So he claims that he was actually picking up on that. And yes, he has the habit of going through posts sequentially, as far as I remember. So maybe his defense makes sense. Still, it's also what scum!Micro would say if he were caught at a slip. So Micro stays lynchable for today.

@Joppo: while you are right and we can't know precisely what scum are called, we DO know one thing: they are not beef! Our task is quite clear: eliminate all things un-beef. Therefore, scum will be something other than beef.

Also: did I miss nmillars reply to my question? Or did nmillar not reply yet?

Joppo would still be a good pick for lynching, I think. But I'm not going to hammer yet, we have about 3 days left, right? Micro would be my second choice. nmillar - I really want a reply from. Pooka is a legacy suspect. Which means, nothing happened to make me see him more towny, but also no new scum points.

Joe, however, is quite towny. Dedo as well. But I have the same problem with the latter that he has with me: we think too similar and so I usually find what he writes sensible and towny-sounding.

oh yeah sorry, I forgot you'd already explained your hideous pun. I wasn't asking because I think it looks scummy, I was asking because I wanted a sense of how many people would assume the concept of tuna to be something distinct from tunabeef.

alright whatever.

Okay im walking back my last comment votewise, as keeping my vote on joppo makes no sense if I myself found it important enough to defend is slip in the wake of micro's.

Vote Micro

L-1 is just to dangerous of a point for me to keep my vote on when im having second thoughts.

oh

I also just realized...have you always been a consultant liar joe? or is that a new position you've taken up since this game started?