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Posted July 27, 2018
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babark: ...
Bravo!

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Posted July 27, 2018
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babark: As I mentioned on the last(?) page, people keep talking about "SJWs want to ban/censor our games!", and when I pointed out that nobody said any such thing (and asked for someone saying such a thing), no response was given.

"Infamous" Anita has never asked a game to be banned or censored, to my knowledge. "Dirty corrupt unethical" Polygon, Kotaku, Gamasutra, VG24/7 (never heard of that last one before this, but I'm willing to throw it into the mix) have never asked for a game to be banned or censored.

Even the stuff about "Gamers are dead". I mocked and laughed at "Gamers" in their mom's basements who boasted their KD ratios in CoD while yelling about copulating with my mother, and lamented that their tanks were taking the brunt of aggro to the healer's HoT in WoW (dunno the slang, don't care), long before GamersGate or those articles were a thing.
And I've been playing video games close to 30 years now. I'm HAPPY that those people don't represent my hobby, and I'm HAPPY that more people appreciate this wonderful medium like I do, I'm not jealous or angry that more women or diverse people are getting into it (as some people in this thread explicitly stated they are). That's a GOOD thing, not a bad thing.

Just because you love a game, just because you feel a game is great, doesn't mean that you can't point out problematic aspects of it. Mario's entire genesis being a typical and boring "Save the Princess" storyline doesn't take away from it being a great game (I lie, Mario sucks, Sonic is king). Just because the Witcher 3 is called out for not featuring diverse characters doesn't mean it isn't a great game (I dunno, I haven't played it yet). Gaming media isn't an either/or thing. Making games for a more diverse audience doesn't mean not making games for men or white people or white men. Nobody is taking away anything from you.

This is the problem I have with so much "Gamergater" stuff. It's built on nonsense. If the alternative is being an "SJW", and people are using that as a derogatory term, then so be it. I've constantly heard the refrain in this thread similar to "GOG WHY DID YOU KOWTOW TO THESE PEOPLE, THESE PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN YOUR CUSTOMERS, US GAMERGATERS ARE!".
Well, I'm not a "gamergater" in the least, and I'm a happy gog customer (most of the time. Fix your stuff, gog). And from seeing the people in this thread who've expressed the same as me, gog has understood its customer base perfectly, so thanks!
Yes, this. Criticism is not censorship, and criticising things doesn't mean that the people who are criticising something don't also appreciate that thing in other ways. I have plenty of criticisms of Banjo-Kazooie (like the terrible decision to use flat 2D objects in a 3D game), but I also think it's a great game. There's absolutely no reason why I can't criticise other games for other reasons, and the idea that having such criticisms means I don't play game is ridiculous.

(Though, if you want to say that I don't, I'm happy to provide evidence of my collection. In fact, anyone on the GOG Discord voice chat will have already seen the random piles of games that clutter my surfaces.)
Post edited July 27, 2018 by PoppyAppletree
Posted July 27, 2018
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babark: As I mentioned on the last(?) page, people keep talking about "SJWs want to ban/censor our games!", and when I pointed out that nobody said any such thing (and asked for someone saying such a thing), no response was given.

"Infamous" Anita has never asked a game to be banned or censored, to my knowledge. "Dirty corrupt unethical" Polygon, Kotaku, Gamasutra, VG24/7 (never heard of that last one before this, but I'm willing to throw it into the mix) have never asked for a game to be banned or censored.

Even the stuff about "Gamers are dead". I mocked and laughed at "Gamers" in their mom's basements who boasted their KD ratios in CoD while yelling about copulating with my mother, and lamented that their tanks were taking the brunt of aggro to the healer's HoT in WoW (dunno the slang, don't care), long before GamersGate or those articles were a thing.
And I've been playing video games close to 30 years now. I'm HAPPY that those people don't represent my hobby, and I'm HAPPY that more people appreciate this wonderful medium like I do, I'm not jealous or angry that more women or diverse people are getting into it (as some people in this thread explicitly stated they are). That's a GOOD thing, not a bad thing.

Just because you love a game, just because you feel a game is great, doesn't mean that you can't point out problematic aspects of it. Mario's entire genesis being a typical and boring "Save the Princess" storyline doesn't take away from it being a great game (I lie, Mario sucks, Sonic is king). Just because the Witcher 3 is called out for not featuring diverse characters doesn't mean it isn't a great game (I dunno, I haven't played it yet). Gaming media isn't an either/or thing. Making games for a more diverse audience doesn't mean not making games for men or white people or white men. Nobody is taking away anything from you.

This is the problem I have with so much "Gamergater" stuff. It's built on nonsense. If the alternative is being an "SJW", and people are using that as a derogatory term, then so be it. I've constantly heard the refrain in this thread similar to "GOG WHY DID YOU KOWTOW TO THESE PEOPLE, THESE PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN YOUR CUSTOMERS, US GAMERGATERS ARE!".
Well, I'm not a "gamergater" in the least, and I'm a happy gog customer (most of the time. Fix your stuff, gog). And from seeing the people in this thread who've expressed the same as me, gog has understood its customer base perfectly, so thanks!
This, so much this.

https://media.giphy.com/media/UTT6QbG4EPOIE/giphy.gif
Posted July 27, 2018
Edit: I changed my mind about being involved in another long conversation
Post edited July 28, 2018 by devoras
Posted July 28, 2018
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babark: snip
a perfect epitaph to this thread.

I feel this has run its course now.
Posted July 28, 2018
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SirPrimalform: What it means is that the term is basically meaningless.
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Telika: Stop hating videogames !
Stop being so "progressive"!

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amok: it also makes people like Anita Sarkeesian no longer SJW's :)

some context - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/30/gamers-criticism-censorship
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tremere110: Well, she's doxxed people - apparently it's okay if it's someone that disagrees with her agenda. That does qualify her as a SJW in my book. Her views on video games doesn't bother me otherwise - she's just another youtuber. What bothers me is she has no problem backing up those views with threats and harassment.

And no, I won't link that doxx here. You can find it on Google easy enough.
"Progressives" are very "progressive", and anyone who disagrees is a FASCIST!!!
Post edited July 28, 2018 by richlind33
Posted July 28, 2018
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SirPrimalform: Loving the new title. :P
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tremere110: Nope, you're not a SJW to me as long as you don't try to ban video games or engage in criminal behavior to push an agenda. Wear that title with pride ;)
What about VG24/7? SJW's, or not?
Posted July 28, 2018
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tremere110: Nope, you're not a SJW to me as long as you don't try to ban video games or engage in criminal behavior to push an agenda. Wear that title with pride ;)
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richlind33: What about VG24/7? SJW's, or not?
Don't know. Don't care.
Posted July 28, 2018
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richlind33: What about VG24/7? SJW's, or not?
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tremere110: Don't know. Don't care.
Should the image that triggered DEFCON 1 be verboten?
Posted July 28, 2018
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SirPrimalform: Did you screw that post up or are you trying to make a weird point?
What, you don't think the nazis existed?
My point is than you reject reality saying that Social Justice Warrior term has no meaning simply because some people misuse it (just like with Nazi).
Posted July 28, 2018
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tremere110: Don't know. Don't care.
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richlind33: Should the image that triggered DEFCON 1 be verboten?
I don't care that GoG apologized for the image and took it down. I could care less about what VG24/7 wrote. What matters is that GoG decided to call some of its customers "abusive" and "part of a hate movement". Will it stop me from shopping here? Nope, I'm a huge DRM-Free advocate and this is pretty much the only viable game in town.
Posted July 28, 2018
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amok: no matter who he brought up it would not matter as they would not have identified as SJW, or they would have had some views making them not SJW's.... it is a group that do not exist
And GOG Postal 2 tweet had no connection to GamerGate whatsoever.
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PoppyAppletree: Your post points towards your use of the term "SJW" being meaningless. If anyone you don't like is an SJW, then the term is just a pointless insult and nothing more.
Except term SJW has meaning. But some people misuse it by calling SJWs people they like. It's just like with Nazi - people called Nazi on the Internet for various reasons. Does that mean that term Nazi is meaningless and Nazi don't exist?
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SirPrimalform: SJW is alt-right for "someone I disagree with" and there's no genuine definition behind it as there is with nazi.
That's a blutant lie. There is clear and concrete definition in the oxford dictionary "Social Justice Warrior - a person who expresses or promotes socially progressive (socially just) views."
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amok: As I keep saying, this is not a simple issue, but rather very complex and all bans, censorship and ratings of any media is rooted in a country's political, demographic and religious history.
Aka white supremasist patriarchy. You know, for person that don't exist you are too predictable.
Post edited July 28, 2018 by LootHunter
Posted July 28, 2018
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babark: I mocked and laughed at "Gamers"
Ah, so you mocked and laughed at people for not sharine you beliefs. Good. Now we know what a person you are.

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babark: Mario's entire genesis being a typical and boring "Save the Princess" storyline
If "Save the Princess" storyline is typical and boring, it doesn't mean it promotes rape culture and women discrimination. Because THAT is what people like Anita Sarkeesian tell in their "criticism".
Post edited July 28, 2018 by LootHunter
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Posted July 28, 2018
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LootHunter: That's a blutant lie. There is clear and concrete definition in the oxford dictionary "Social Justice Warrior - a person who expresses or promotes socially progressive (socially just) views.
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Fairfox: so tahts a gud thang, rite
As long as people don't suffer because of "social justice" promotion. But that's all in the past. Today Social Justice Warriors fight for their "socially progressive" views by censoring content in games and shaming developers that don't bow "socially just" standards.
Post edited July 28, 2018 by LootHunter
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