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toroca: Hell, I still play some console games for systems that are probably older than 80% of the users on this forum! :D
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SultanOfSuave: You must have quite a magnificent display of old consoles in your possession if they outshine even the curmudgeonly old ghouls that haunt these lands.
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Well, I still have the SNES I received for Christmas in 1991 when I was ten, and it still works, and I still own an NES (not my original, that died in 2017 at the age of 32) and my original N64 as well. But for my oldest games I've switched to a Retron 5, since it can play NES, SNES, and Genesis games, all on one system, and the upconversion for the HDMI output actually looks all right on a 55" screen. Actually, not counting the Retron 5, the newest console I own is a Gamecube. *LOL* Haven't been willing to spend money on anything newer when I generally prefer PC gaming, even OLD PC gaming.
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vv221: That’s 100% right.

And now I’m wondering how many people skipped buying games from Humble Bundle because of such misleading wording. They used to say a Steam account is required *for Steam keys redemption*, something that was much less confusing.
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toroca: Well, if we weren't having this discussion here on GOG, I'd have never looked at Humble again because of that phrasing on their site. They really need to find a better way to state the actual requirements, because I can guarantee you it has cost them sales from at least a small percentage of gamers like myself. Not a majority, sure, but any needlessly-lost revenue matters, even moreso to the smaller players in an industry. And considering that their mission is to use some of their sales to support charities, that makes the misleading wording even more unfortunate in my mind. They're not just costing themselves, but also the people they're trying to help. The addition of just a few words would help here; they could simply say something like "Steam keys are provided for this title, as well as non-DRM offline installers for supported platforms."

So I thank you kindly for the clarification. :) This means I now have at least one other possible source for games, even if only 10% of their library falls under the DRM-free filter.
I have bought some DRM-free games from Humble successfully in the past but I can also confirm the confusing phrasing has kept me from buying several others.

Yes, they should be able to refund you but for me I felt it wasn't worth the time and energy. It reminded me of how GOG users were maintaining a list of games on Steam that could, once downloaded and installed through the client, apparently be played offline just like any other DRM-free game. Sure, I could buy various games from this list on Steam, but then if it turns out they added DRM in a recent update, I have to go through the hassle of reaching out to them, asking a refund, etc. I'd rather just support a different store that is more clear about their care in being DRM-free.

I will note that in my Humble experience (sorry), my perspective is colored by a time I tried to buy a fighting game (I believe it was entitled "Guts"), got myself hyped up I'd have a DRM-free fighting game to add to my collection, only for the download installer to be for a Demo version. Apparently, the actual full game version was only on Steam and I had paid $20 to access a demo. I do not know if this particular game's situation has been rectified, or if there are additional ones like it in the DRM-free section of which I'm just not aware. Humble refunded me without issue, but still.

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P. Zimerickus: I definitely have plenty of enjoyment even from my old system. As long as you accept the fact that modern AAA titles are out of reach, there are still plenty of amazingly fun games out there, and even some relatively recent releases are perfectly playable.
Agreed to this too. There is a tendency among many PC players (not as much on GOG) that games have to run on max settings or else "what's the point" or "you're like a console bro". To me, there's no shame in running a game in whatever settings suit you and your PC the best. A game is made to accommodate a range of graphical settings, not unlike how it accommodates gamma correction, sound volumes, etc...there is not a "perfect configuration". Just as a further illustration, iirc, Kingdom Come: Deliverance (the first one) had options for graphical settings that were meant to be used on future, higher powered machines/cards, so even the perfectionist couldn't achieve their perfection yet at that moment in time, but the game is gorgeous by my standards even on the lowest settings.
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rjbuffchix: Ah, I don't mean to rain on your parade but unfortunately I would amend that first sentence to "(especially Nintendo)." While it is true that they release cartridges, they have been going in an anti-ownership direction for several years now (the worst offender being the subscription service to play old games, with no equivalent of being able to buy them like the Virtual Console used to be).

I suspect the next step is to increase the amount of DLC, content, game modes that will only be available via their online service. In effect, the "physical" releases will be barebones (if they're not already) and much of the content will be DRMed. All these companies are the same anymore. Valve, Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony; they all want to get you online as fast as possible and to rely on it for as many things as possible.
Oh definitely agree. I just see Nintendo as the least worst of the three companies (not that its much competition) in that for its first party games, Nintendo still produces physical copies. Nintendo's backward compatibility is terrible and they have implemented DLC in their single player games (BotW), nevermind their multiplayers (Mario Kart, Smash, Splatoon). I suppose luckily for me, I dont have much interest in multiplayer unless its couch coop and their single player games are not barebones yet (although that could change with Switch 2). Nintendo also has a similar issue with Valve where the company could change dramatically worse once Miyamoto retires.

I also agree that no corporation is your friend. I see alot of Nintendo criticism (mostly about their war on emulation) which is why I get the impression that people already dont see Nintendo as an ally but I always see Valve as the "exception" when its just not true.

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toroca: I definitely have plenty of enjoyment even from my old system. As long as you accept the fact that modern AAA titles are out of reach, there are still plenty of amazingly fun games out there, and even some relatively recent releases are perfectly playable.
To be honest, Ive heard that even with a great PC, some modern AAA titles may still be out of reach lol. Marvel Spiderman 2 is very poorly optimized and has been considered the worst recent game released on Steam and The Last of Us Part 1 is also apparently still a poorly optimized mess thats not great on PC.