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Rick_Carufel: When someone buys a defective or unwanted product the only level of cooperation needed is to give a refund. If someone gives you a shirt for a birthday present and it doesn't fit do you expect the store demand you try it on for them to prove it's the wrong size? NO they give the money back without an argument. You're just blindly trying to defend GOG with some absurd rationale that it's somehow my fault their game won't run because I refuse to waste any more time on this defective game.
You keep repeating that word, defective. Perhaps your machine is?
Check my profile for hours spent in game as well as screenshots, game runs absolutely fine.
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USERNAME:Rick_Carufel#Q&_^Q&Q#GROUP:4#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:38#Q&_^Q&Q#I bought Fallout 3, I've tried everything to get it to run without freezing after a few min. I requested a refund because the game won't work. First they seemed to think I am supposed to jump through a bunch of hoops, because they assume I'm an idiot, to try and get it to run. I said no I've wasted enough time with this game and have lose all enthusiasm for the game because it's unplayable Then they try to give me the line they will give me credit on their site for the cost of the game because they don't give refunds because the game was downloaded. I told them I paid cash and I want cash back and really don't see me buying any games from them is the future so their credit scheme is no refund at all. I Also told them I am not obligated to do anything to get a refund for a defective product. I have Fallout 4 and Vegas as well as several other games. All run fine. I run Autocad on my computer just fine. I have a 330 ghz six core processor and 16 gigs of ram and another 2 gig on my graphics card. And I can recognize a memory leak when I see one. Nothing wrong on my end, the product is flawed There are people all over social media with the same issues with FO3. Now they're playing the game of not responding.#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:38#Q&_^Q&Q#
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The legalese gibberish they post is not binding. You agree under duress. There is no option to say no you don't agree and still play is there? So there is no choice, agree or don't play. That's not an agreement.
Actually it is binding.

And exactly how did you agree under duress? Serious question. What about the purchase put you under duress?

If you are going to claim you were under duress in order to get a refund, you are going to need to explain to them how, and I'm curious about that myself.
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tinyE: WTF
Four people answered him and he only yelled at me! :P

It's like I'm some sort of asshole magnet! XD
I didn't holler at you, it's just that anytime there is a problem with a game the fan in the forums always blindly defend the game company and try to contrive every scenario possible ti play it as though it's the paying customers fault and the game company can do no wrong. The reality is game companies treat their customers worse that any other industry does.

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tinyE: Actually it is binding.

And exactly how did you agree under duress? Serious question. What about the purchase put you under duress?
It's under duress because there is no option to not agree and still play.
Post edited June 17, 2018 by Rick_Carufel
XD

That's all folks! Goodnight! I'm outta here!
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Rick_Carufel: It's under duress because there is no option to not agree and still play.
Yes there is. Your "I do not agree" is simply "do not buy". Nobody forced you to buy the games and in turn enter into an agreement with GOG.
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mike_cesara: 66h on my clock and keep counting. No, Fallout 3 does not freeze for me, must be something on your end.

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Also didn't notice any memory leaks. 2.53GHz, 8GB RAM, 1GB VRAM. Fallout 3 runs smoothly on my laptop.
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Rick_Carufel: None of that matters to me. It won't run on my computer therefore it's worthless to me. There is no need to state the obvious, evidently it runs on some computers otherwise they wouldn't' be selling it at all, would they? So what's your point?
None of that matters to me. It run smoothly on my as well as on many other computers therefore definitely isn't defective.

Sure, I will defend the company since I'm here for quite some time and so far didn't experience any issues with games I have bought. The problem lies definitely on your side, cooperate or find yourself another hobby.
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USERNAME:Rick_Carufel#Q&_^Q&Q#GROUP:4#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:50#Q&_^Q&Q#It's under duress because there is no option to not agree and still play.#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:50#Q&_^Q&Q#
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That is not an agreement made in good faith, it's an ultimatum.
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Rick_Carufel: None of that matters to me. It won't run on my computer therefore it's worthless to me. There is no need to state the obvious, evidently it runs on some computers otherwise they wouldn't' be selling it at all, would they? So what's your point?
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mike_cesara: None of that matters to me. It run smoothly on my as well as on many other computers therefore definitely isn't defective.

Sure, I will defend the company since I'm here for quite some time and so far didn't experience any issues with games I have bought. The problem lies definitely on your side, cooperate or find yourself another hobby.
Pathetic.
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Rick_Carufel: That is not an agreement made in good faith, it's an ultimatum.
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mike_cesara: None of that matters to me. It run smoothly on my as well as on many other computers therefore definitely isn't defective.

Sure, I will defend the company since I'm here for quite some time and so far didn't experience any issues with games I have bought. The problem lies definitely on your side, cooperate or find yourself another hobby.
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Rick_Carufel: Pathetic.
Get yourself together Rick! We're not twelve anymore.
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Rick_Carufel: The legalese gibberish they post is not binding. You agree under duress. There is no option to say no you don't agree and still play is there? So there is no choice, agree or don't play. That's not an agreement.
Let's assume that's true. What are you going to do about it? The only possible option you have for doing anything about is to take GOG to court and test those claims of yours.

And if you aren't going to do that, then whether it's binding or not is a moot point, because even if it's not, you still can't do anything about it anyway.

I expect you won't take them to court though because you probably know you don't have a strong case and it wouldn't be worth your legal expenses.
Post edited June 17, 2018 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
Sorry for stoking more fire into this very hot furnace, but I really dislike this trend of power-users / old-time users of the service taking defensive position for the service they've emotionally attached to, that are ready to write apologetic letters on their behalf. I had enough of that crud on Steam discussion forums (every time somebody would suggest a QoL improvement in their Ideas discussion thread, there are five dozens of users ready 24/7 to tell you "oh, well, that's not how the service works so they will unable to make the change, also you should've read their ToS", sometimes said in very galling and nasty manner), so much so I stopped pouring any money into their service.

Guys, please stop doing that and saying how they had to read ToS before making the purchase - it's insultingly anti-consumer and generally unhelpful.

That being said, @Rick_Carufel - you might as well just opt-out from buying PC games, because there are millions of possible combinations of hardware and OS/drivers software for something to go wrong for just a small set of users. That's something old-time PC gamers just got used to and usually ready to jump through those "idiotic" hoops, as you call it, to make the game run stable.
In your case I would've guessed that it's the multi-core of your CPU that causes the crashes on FO3
If you're actually interested in playing this game, then please refer to this very simple fix

That said, I think that being as much consumer friendly as you can, especially when your major competitors already are, is crucial for success.
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matrixdll:
Write any post about much needed QoL improvements on GOG and there's a good chance you'll get uprepped and a dozen of people agreeing with you.

However, you seem to forget that GOG provides DRM-free games, so once you download the installer it basically stays yours. When they remove a game from your library, you still have an installer and a game and there are no built in mechanisms preventing it form working when it's not on your account any more. So you can't really "resign" from your purchase in a manner similar to returning a product you don't want, like you can on Steam for example.

Therefore GOG implemented a policy of trying their best to fix your problems before they offer you a refund. The policy seems fair to many of us and we know that GOG shows a lot of leniency and good will in those cases. So when you write an angry post, like Rick_Carufel did, you are probably not going to hear a lot of sympathetic voices.

*continues to grumble in a corner*
you seem to forget that GOG provides DRM-free games, so once you download the installer it basically stays yours.
I didn't forget about that and I know exactly the reason for why GOG are doing this (I was hesitating to write it up in my post, but decided not to in order to not delve far off the point), but you can't really fight these types of illegitimate acquisitions of the game copy, because there are already ways to get that copy without any need to buy the game in a first place.

If customer has bought the drm-free product and then refunded it, it is up to good trust of the service into customers honesty to remove that installer.
However, if the customer is not interested in service or growing a library, they're unlikely to ever keep their business with that service, especially when they try to keep the unsatisfactory purchase hostage. You will not gain anything from just refunding the money to customer, but if you refuse to refund, then you will gain negative feedback inside and outside of the service. People who will hear that feedback would be more hesitant to do their first purchase, knowing that if they don't like something they can effectively kiss their money goodbye.

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So when you write an angry post, like Rick_Carufel did, you are probably not going to hear a lot of sympathetic voices.
I don't think that at any point of both of my post I've expressed anger. I've only expressed my concerns about the policy that, in my opinion, hurts GOG more than it helps long-term
I'm not seeing much difference between refusing to know tos and traffic regulations. Both prevents from having fun without agreeing to some conditions.
The forum is full of people willing to help for a thank you you don't even get often. The guy doesn't even want any help, he just want few bucks. Most probably 6 core cpu is the problem in this case, but since he seems to know better, it's a time wasting for anyone willing to help. I'd say leave it as it is, natural selection.