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Pheace: So you're carrying around a bunch of uninstalled software for that rare situation you might need it?
Yes, I carry a ton of installers neatly organized in folders categorizing them by type. When I want a program to serve its purpose, I simply install it from this folder. Any reason you're curious about that?
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Pheace: That said, Denuvo cracked editions, even though they *are* getting cracked aren't usually the greatest editions because they'll likely be lacking DLC and the latest patches which to many pirates is still 'not good enough'. You at least get to try the game though so that's something, and if it pulls people in for a sale due to lacking features/dlc all the better I guess.
Actually, no.
One of the reason some people attribute to CPY taking so long to crack some games from the current denuvo version (for example Dishonored 2) is mainly because they are waiting for a stable release. As cracking denuvo is a chore, it's better to just wait for the main patches to come out before cracking it.
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rgnrk: Actually, no.
One of the reason some people attribute to CPY taking so long to crack some games from the current denuvo version (for example Dishonored 2) is mainly because they are waiting for a stable release. As cracking denuvo is a chore, it's better to just wait for the main patches to come out before cracking it.
You keep telling yourself that.
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rgnrk: Actually, no.
One of the reason some people attribute to CPY taking so long to crack some games from the current denuvo version (for example Dishonored 2) is mainly because they are waiting for a stable release. As cracking denuvo is a chore, it's better to just wait for the main patches to come out before cracking it.
That still doesn't change that any patches/dlc coming out after that are generally not included, and patches for games and certainly DLC go way beyond the 3 month mark, even well beyond a year to several years. Good luck getting a complete, up to date, pirate version of Total Warhammer for instance.

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Pheace: So you're carrying around a bunch of uninstalled software for that rare situation you might need it?
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PookaMustard: Yes, I carry a ton of installers neatly organized in folders categorizing them by type. When I want a program to serve its purpose, I simply install it from this folder. Any reason you're curious about that?
To me it feels like looking back in time to what used to be. I mean I get it, being in the Netherlands I'm probably in a privilidged place and I guess, compared to many countries 'in the future' when it comes to internet availability and computer access but that doesn't change that *this* is where it's headed (barring a world war or something) and it makes no sense to expect the market to evolve around a situation which is increasingly disappearing.
Post edited March 01, 2017 by Pheace
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Pheace: To me it feels like looking back in time to what used to be. I mean I get it, being in the Netherlands I'm probably in a privilidged place and I guess, compared to many countries 'in the future' when it comes to internet availability and computer access but that doesn't change that *this* is where it's headed (barring a world war or something) and it makes no sense to expect the market to evolve around a situation which is increasingly disappearing.
Being in the future or in the past does not mean you should delegate even the basic of the basics (those your computer can already do) to the internet. Regardless of whether we're in 1990 or 2277, single player games SHOULD be installable and playable in an offline environment. Common sense really, no matter what the business suits would say all day and night about 'protecting their income.'

Which is why mandatory online DRM on single player content is outrageous.

Even in this world where you claim some countries are 'in the future', even they have rural areas without a stable connection to the internet, and between stable connections to the internet lies those mobile data plans which you either spend wisely (don't let Steam connect to the internet on one) or end up wasting your money. And let's not talk about spotty connections, those can be very fantastic that they might even tempt you not to use the internet ever again. And even if everything is 'in the future', common sense prevails, and that is to expect that a single player game, or any program for that matter that does not depend on the internet for most of its functionality, to be installable and playable offline.
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Pheace: Yea, like I said, hardly ever.
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PookaMustard: Not really. On the three days I'm in college, I spend my entire day there simply because travel from and to home is just torture, I'd rather spend some time there THEN go back. Installing Office, or pretty much *anything* there is not something unusual while waiting for the professor to come, sometimes even while the professor is giving the lecture even (installing Office is as simple as running a batch file for me).

On top of that, if you're in a school/university building around here you have access to student wifi anyway.
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PookaMustard: Wifi? In my college? News.
How? Where is this school that does not have a wifi for its students?
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PookaMustard: Not really. On the three days I'm in college, I spend my entire day there simply because travel from and to home is just torture, I'd rather spend some time there THEN go back. Installing Office, or pretty much *anything* there is not something unusual while waiting for the professor to come, sometimes even while the professor is giving the lecture even (installing Office is as simple as running a batch file for me).

Wifi? In my college? News.
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KneeTheCap: How? Where is this school that does not have a wifi for its students?
Schools? there are a lot all across germany.
Universities? Well we have soemthing they call wifi, but it only works in intervals of a few seconds before breaking down for a few seconds, then returns for a few seconds, breaks down again,..............

I don't know where he lives, but it's not rare depending on where you live.
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Pheace: To me it feels like looking back in time to what used to be. I mean I get it, being in the Netherlands I'm probably in a privilidged place and I guess, compared to many countries 'in the future' when it comes to internet availability and computer access but that doesn't change that *this* is where it's headed (barring a world war or something) and it makes no sense to expect the market to evolve around a situation which is increasingly disappearing.
Omnia mutantur Nihil interit.

Just because the market is trending in a certain way it doesn't mean that things will stay that way.

I remember when Richard Garriott launched Ultima Online he stated that in the future every game would be Online Multi-player. In those days I was eager to try Ultima Online and I too believed that the future would be "always online".
Well... Many years later I can't stand mmos and Richard Garriott can't make a good game anymore.
Fact: all things change. And sometimes they change drastically.

Piracy is as old as copyrighted software. As long as there are games with copy protection, there will be people who will accept the challenge of breaking it.

If the industry wants to see the end of piracy it's simple: stop investing on copy protection schemes and focus on creating good games. I was once a hardcore games pirate. As soon as I started to earn my cash I started paying for my games.

Of all the kids (now in their 40s) who used to play pirate games like me, I'd say that only 20% of them still bother to torrent games.
Post edited March 01, 2017 by karnak1
Great news everyone!
Denuvo is terrible thing (ever worse than StarForce), and thats always nice to see more denuvo games cracked, coz, as time shows, cracking denuvo leads to its removal
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rgnrk: Actually, no.
One of the reason some people attribute to CPY taking so long to crack some games from the current denuvo version (for example Dishonored 2) is mainly because they are waiting for a stable release. As cracking denuvo is a chore, it's better to just wait for the main patches to come out before cracking it.
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Pheace: That still doesn't change that any patches/dlc coming out after that are generally not included, and patches for games and certainly DLC go way beyond the 3 month mark, even well beyond a year to several years. Good luck getting a complete, up to date, pirate version of Total Warhammer for instance.
But then, Total Warhammer isn't cracked yet, if ever. Scene groups usually don't crack online games either. And now that more games work as a service, as apparently TW does, that will probaby spread to some single player games too. Unfortunately, that also means good luck to any legitimate players that want a up to date, full and complete version of any of these games. Nor only they keep getting dlcs you have to pay again and again, these games are also always in motion, and never really existing as such.

The other day I just heard about some content they added to FFXV to celebrate something (the chinese new year?). And they took it away after a few days, to be lost in oblivion. More practices to be added to the pay dlc escalation, the microtransactions flooding $60 titles, exclusive preorder content, exclusive kickstarter content, content that gets removed, changed and added all the time. Honestly, there is no full and complete version of any of these games.

That's one of the many reasons why I don't care about AAA games at all anymore. Games design to the lowest common denominator to increase it's target audience carried only by fancy graphics and a huge marketing campaign. There are exceptions to this, of course. Total Warhammer is probably one, but I cant' deal with all the publisher practices. Meanwhile I'd rather focus in the games I can actually buy.

PS: I'd also like to add that patching denuvo games is not trivial. As adding denuvo is not done by the games developers, they have to send each patched version to denuvo. Which makes it cumbersome, akin to patching on consoles. I actually think that's why it was removed from Doom after it was cracked. Gives more flexibility to patching, and pirates where already happy with the cracked version anyway.

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Gekko_Dekko: Great news everyone!
Denuvo is terrible thing (ever worse than StarForce), and thats always nice to see more denuvo games cracked, coz, as time shows, cracking denuvo leads to its removal
Denuvo only was removed on 2 games that I know of, of the maybe 25 cracked games.
So no, it doesn't.
Post edited March 01, 2017 by rgnrk
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rgnrk: Denuvo only was removed on 2 games that I know of, of the maybe 25 cracked games.
So no, it doesn't.
But it was. More and faster games will be cracked = less companies will pay denuvo for their crapware.
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rgnrk: Denuvo only was removed on 2 games that I know of, of the maybe 25 cracked games.
So no, it doesn't.
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Gekko_Dekko: But it was. More and faster games will be cracked = less companies will pay denuvo for their crapware.
Homefront: Revolution has been cracked as well.
It seems Denuvo has lost the DRM war.
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Gekko_Dekko: But it was. More and faster games will be cracked = less companies will pay denuvo for their crapware.
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karnak1: Homefront: Revolution has been cracked as well.
It seems Denuvo has lost the DRM war.
But it was "uncrackable" said the DRM Führers. Believe in their holy propaganda!
Or just sell your games on GOG from the beginning and save yourself the hassle.
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Gekko_Dekko: But it was. More and faster games will be cracked = less companies will pay denuvo for their crapware.
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karnak1: Homefront: Revolution has been cracked as well.
It seems Denuvo has lost the DRM war.
The devs just removed Denuvo on the game themselves since you know, Denuvo wasn't helping sells for their VERY GOOD game... At some point you have to wonder if game devs will catch on that broken, bug-infested glitch ridden games at launch + Denuvo make for poor sells compared to having no Denuvo and a perfectly working game.
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Protoss: But it was "uncrackable" said the DRM Führers
everything, made by humans, is crackable. Only question is time