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my name is grompy catte: Impossible in what way?

Are you being blocked from sending Clownski a message by your own security settings? It's a common mistake.
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zakius: there is no setting that can be set to "block me from sending messages to GOG staff" or anything like that
If you don't have it set to allow chat messages from everyone (and you don't), you can't send either.
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my name is grompy catte: Impossible in what way?

Are you being blocked from sending Clownski a message by your own security settings? It's a common mistake.
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zakius: there is no setting that can be set to "block me from sending messages to GOG staff" or anything like that
No, but there is a setting that says "ALLOW CHAT MESSAGES FROM: nobody/friends only/everyone" and I'm willing to bet you don't have it set to everyone and aren't friends with Clownski.

I would have thought you'd work that one out once I said it was to do with your own settings.
Post edited October 15, 2022 by my name is grompy catte
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Spectrum_Legacy: I can't really explain this any better than I already did, so I won't repeat myself.
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neumi5694: You don't have to explain it better, I understood your point of view, I just don't share your opinion.

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Spectrum_Legacy: There is no logic nor variable as to why one would be allowed the rollback while the other didn't,
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neumi5694: That might be true or not, but what difference does it make? They don't want it, it's not there. Easy as that.
Or someone messed up and the old stuff was deleted accidentaly.
This is by far not the only game without rollback option.
That's completely fine, I'm not threatening your opinion in any way. Though I found it funny that you took it upon yourself from get go to defend gog in this case, but then again I'm nowhere near as invested in this place as you are. And judging by the increased frequency where gog and censorship are mentioned together in one sentence, I might never be as well.

That covers your question too, "What difference does it make?". To you? None, obviously. To me? After seeing that gog doesn't care, I've fixed the censored games on my end, made a binary diff patches for both and adjusted my purchases since then as mentioned before. After all it's a toss up between customers vs consumers here, fans of stores and fans of games, so opinions about priorities and import will inevitably vary. We learned something new here after all.
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Spectrum_Legacy: That's completely fine, I'm not threatening your opinion in any way. Though I found it funny that you took it upon yourself from get go to defend gog in this case, but then again I'm nowhere near as invested in this place as you are. And judging by the increased frequency where gog and censorship are mentioned together in one sentence, I might never be as well.

That covers your question too, "What difference does it make?". To you? None, obviously. To me? After seeing that gog doesn't care, I've fixed the censored games on my end, made a binary diff patches for both and adjusted my purchases since then as mentioned before. After all it's a toss up between customers vs consumers here, fans of stores and fans of games, so opinions about priorities and import will inevitably vary. We learned something new here after all.
I don't know if they care or not, but I am well aware where theit influence ends.
How do you know if they care or not? Because I have no such information. Where does yours come from?

You need someone to blame - fine. I just suggest you blame those who have the right to make decisions. All gog could do would be to remove these games alltogether, which would cause conflicts with the publishers and they may lose them for good. Is that the better solution in your eyes?
Here we go again.
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neumi5694: I don't know if they care or not, but I am well aware where theit influence ends.
How do you know if they care or not? Because I have no such information. Where does yours come from?

You need someone to blame - fine. I just suggest you blame those who have the right to make decisions. All gog could do would be to remove these games alltogether, which would cause conflicts with the publishers and they may lose them for good. Is that the better solution in your eyes?
Your questions have been already covered in post 20 and 40 if you care to actually read them, so won't repeat myself. That also contains the best solution in my eyes, as it is available for AoF2 here and on steam for BS2. I've already done the homework on my end.
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zakius: there is no setting that can be set to "block me from sending messages to GOG staff" or anything like that
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my name is grompy catte: No, but there is a setting that says "ALLOW CHAT MESSAGES FROM: nobody/friends only/everyone" and I'm willing to bet you don't have it set to everyone and aren't friends with Clownski.

I would have thought you'd work that one out once I said it was to do with your own settings.
bug of their forum engine isn't my fault though
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my name is grompy catte: No, but there is a setting that says "ALLOW CHAT MESSAGES FROM: nobody/friends only/everyone" and I'm willing to bet you don't have it set to everyone and aren't friends with Clownski.

I would have thought you'd work that one out once I said it was to do with your own settings.
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zakius: bug of their forum engine isn't my fault though
How is that a bug? If you have your chat turned off then you have your chat turned off. The setting does what it says.
Post edited October 17, 2022 by my name is grompy catte
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neumi5694: We already have examples where that happened. Look for the missing children in fallout. Really, it's up to the publisher, not GOG.

If the publisher does not allo rollback, GOG can't allow it. No one has to like or dislike it, it's just how it is. That's the joy of digital distribution.
It's up to GOG what games they allow on their store. They are not under any obligation to host a censored game. So, it's not true to say there is nothing GOG could do about it.
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neumi5694: We already have examples where that happened. Look for the missing children in fallout. Really, it's up to the publisher, not GOG.

If the publisher does not allo rollback, GOG can't allow it. No one has to like or dislike it, it's just how it is. That's the joy of digital distribution.
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Time4Tea: It's up to GOG what games they allow on their store. They are not under any obligation to host a censored game. So, it's not true to say there is nothing GOG could do about it.
If the publisher only makes a censored version available then GOG's choice is to sell it or not sell it. I'd rather they sell the censored version if that's the only version available to them.
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Time4Tea: It's up to GOG what games they allow on their store. They are not under any obligation to host a censored game. So, it's not true to say there is nothing GOG could do about it.
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my name is grompy catte: If the publisher only makes a censored version available then GOG's choice is to sell it or not sell it. I'd rather they sell the censored version if that's the only version available to them.
You're entitled to your opinion. I'm simply pointing out that it is not true to say there is nothing GOG can do about it.
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my name is grompy catte: If the publisher only makes a censored version available then GOG's choice is to sell it or not sell it. I'd rather they sell the censored version if that's the only version available to them.
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Time4Tea: You're entitled to your opinion. I'm simply pointing out that it is not true to say there is nothing GOG can do about it.
Oh they definitely have a choice, I was just clarifying that the choice is "sell it or don't sell it" not "sell the censored version or sell the uncut version". GOG does not have the sway to demand anything.

I'm not sure I'd characterise not selling the game as "doing something about it". It's not as if GOG refusing to sell it will change anything, the publisher isn't going to go "Noooo! This is going to destroy the sales potential of this game!". They'll just shrug and go back to Steam.
Post edited October 17, 2022 by my name is grompy catte
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Time4Tea: You're entitled to your opinion. I'm simply pointing out that it is not true to say there is nothing GOG can do about it.
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my name is grompy catte: Oh they definitely have a choice, I was just clarifying that the choice is "sell it or don't sell it" not "sell the censored version or sell the uncut version". GOG does not have the sway to demand anything.

I'm not sure I'd characterise not selling the game as "doing something about it". It's not as if GOG refusing to sell it will change anything, the publisher isn't going to go "Noooo! This is going to destroy the sales potential of this game!". They'll just shrug and go back to Steam.
This thread is about keeping censorship away from GOG games though, so not necessarily about ensuring that censored games become uncensored in general or about what else the publisher does, but about not having censored games on GOG. Ideally that'd mean making them come here uncensored, but alternately that means not having them here at all, yes. The same principles over growth and business interests debate that has been going on here, with principles always losing, at least since the "Good News" of 2014, and some may argue ever since accepting newer games and renouncing the $9.99 max price decision of 2012.
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Time4Tea: You're entitled to your opinion. I'm simply pointing out that it is not true to say there is nothing GOG can do about it.
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my name is grompy catte: Oh they definitely have a choice, I was just clarifying that the choice is "sell it or don't sell it" not "sell the censored version or sell the uncut version". GOG does not have the sway to demand anything.

I'm not sure I'd characterise not selling the game as "doing something about it". It's not as if GOG refusing to sell it will change anything, the publisher isn't going to go "Noooo! This is going to destroy the sales potential of this game!". They'll just shrug and go back to Steam.
I don't agree - you could substitute 'censorship' here for 'DRM'. Many big games are available DRM-free on GOG, because GOG has over the years insisted that games will not be sold on the store unless they are DRM-free and they have (for the most part) held a firm position on that. So, I think you are underestimating the amount of influence GOG has on publishers.

I can't see any reason that GOG (if they wanted to) couldn't have a similar impact on censorship as they have had for DRM.
I have a bad feeling about this thread. It could be hijacked by a certain group of people here.

I agree with the OP. There is no need to censor games. Keep them as the game developers wanted them to be.
Post edited October 18, 2022 by foad01