Even though there's already been reports?

Ok then, how many children are considered to be expendable for this law to go forth & service people who don't really need it or called for it? What's the number of assaults on children - or worse - that you consider to be acceptable?

How many are you willing to consider an acceptable loss?

Because I consider one too be too many. And there was at least one, already.
No, my bad for not knowing how to use this better.

As far as bias goes, I don't give a shit. All I know is, several little girls were rightly apprehensive just so ONE middle-age man could "feel comfortable". It's not about bias, here.

Again, when did it become acceptable for ANYONE'S rights to supersede the rights of children?

There have also been reports of alien abductions, alien pregnancies, chem trails, lizard people and moon nazis. And there have never been cases of someone sneeking into the opposite genders bathroom? Oh, the humanity.
Also you seem to think that those new laws have a "fondling of minors in the bathroom is now totally a-okay and should be awarded a medal" paragraph, which in itself is some grade A lunacy right there. I'm reasonably sure that such paragraphs don't exist.

Edit: Screwed up post meant to be a reply.

Anyone could have done or has done terrible things even before the transgender restroom laws, nothing stopping that either way. That's my point. Wasn't implying that someone else's rights supersede the rights of children.

As for the man with the towel, just put up a simple sign saying you have to be dressed before exiting the showers. Simple.

okay we the netherlands basically wont allow everyone to carry guns, maybe with a special permit you can, but our govs claim that people wont be able to get guns that easily.
So now you might think omg nice country, the bad thing is: the bad people who hurt and kill others, do have guns and they are able to get them very easily, the common man however is a sitting duck.
We are understaffed concerning police, we have a army thats nonexistent, our prime minster Rutte has no backbone, and our vvd government is basically a big hoax....

So dont believe all the gut menschen that claim netherlands is utopia, cause we are not...
the only people that are satisfied are the people with big income, other then that we have many people who have to get food everyday.

So its not all milk and honey in the netherlands and our govs have no own will , and bend to the EU.

english version check this and read... and many of the things that might sound positive are not, cause we know that our govs coverup...

http://whatsupwithamsterdam.com/homeless-in-amsterdam/

finally i assume you know of the big Brexit? other EU countires that have other referendums and many more bad things that wont be coverd on the news cause its all covered up by EU.

Britain supposedly allowed to have a vote: but, if they vote out, oh boy they will get punished
so democracy is more like demockracy :D one letter differs making it a whole differnt word.

Anyway there seems to be a movie brexit the movie, i havent seen it yet cause afterall its for britain, although i would be able to understand what they are telling.
Ofcourse there are sides: FOR and AGAINST or leave stay whatever they call it.

The netherlands has some big pro's: we seem to be the number 2 in freedom of press we can see litterlaly almost anything :D , so we rule in that , we can say even more in media then US ... :D
but dont be fooled by the sides that are too pro EU cause they think its like the hippies time: were all people walked with funny clothes and had peace.

In short: you have to live in a country for a few years and then you can see whats going on, and even then it all depends on in what part you arrive, its like in the 50s with the east and west germany , depending in where you live or reside (thats the same thing i guess) to be able to notcie whats going on cause evryone will talk in fasvor of what they like themselves and will always say the others are wrong.

For me its simple : i am in the middle, like malcom in the middle but differnt
i am not pro or against i am neutral: i dont want the pro shit and i dont want the against shit, i want the netherlands of the 80s back,.
We got used to the Eu coin, so its not bad having that, but the idea of making laws from Brussels is too much, EU members have no saying and most if not all actions made by EU arre irreversible once they are done.
So basically we should go back to EEC, where we trade, are friends and live in good harmony, basicallly like mr farage always tells.
June 23th would be the vote, so thats wht our dutch government pushed some referndum to take place way after june23th, cause maybe that result might influence some outcomes .

This whole debate is utterly alien to me since I never understood why human nudity is a big deal. Are there really any parts of the human body which cause harm to those who see them? Idiocy in it's purest form, if you ask me.

Personally, I don't care if someone is naked regardless of their gender or sexual identity.
Likewise I don't care if someone sees me naked regardless of their gender or sexual identity.

Hopefully one day this non-issue will be treated as such and there will be single showers/bathrooms for all.

Do those reports have photos, names, witnesses?

http://abc7chicago.com/news/man-chokes-8-year-old-girl-in-south-loop-bathroom-police-say/1336656

Things change, little by little, like small steps along the way, bringing you to a different place. One day you wake up and things are not the same any more.

Yeah, but these laws, using trans people as an excuse, will only facilitate things even further.

And the showers themselves? I mean, props to the guy (?) for having a towel wrapped around his junk in front of the little girls, but what if the 7 year old had gone to take a shower?

Oh yeah, she doesn't matter. She doesn't have rights. Children aren't even people, what the hell have I been thinking?

I honestly didn't expect much from this thread, but I had to try. There are gamers everywhere, maybe someone who can do something might see this, however unlikely. I do realise it's near impossible.

But it's all I can do. I've written to the people I could, not that any of them are able to do something. But maybe they know someone.

I'm not giving up, though. Not while there's still some resistance to this madness, however far away.

omg its about that ? so most of the posts i saw flying by is about that?

i can be short about that:

like you said: i also dont care if some one runs, walks, or fly by naked.... i wont show myself naked cause i wont do that,
but if people, men. women should want to walk nude or with very little clothing, then everyone should also respect that.

The only thing that would be unwise, is to leave your doors open, and expect no one will clean your house :D hahahaha, but thats only logical to close and lock the doors.

As soon as laws were made forbidding children from doing things such as driving, voting, drinking alcohol, smoking tobacco, etc.

No, it's not about that.

I couldn't care less if adults are naked in front of each other or what they're showing.

I just don't want it to be legal for a middle-aged man to shower next to an little girl! Hell, they shouldn't even do it in front of little boys, but at least boys know that what they're seeing is just a bigger version of what they have.

It's STILL wrong and inexcusable, but there's nothing I can reasonably do there other than demanding security in each & every public toilet or shower.

I think this man has some wisdom to share with us at this point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTSA_sWGM44

Very sadly missed, words of wisdom far ahead of his time.

What if the little girl has a mental disability that prevents her from showering on her own, the girl's mother is busy or out of the picture, and the middle-aged man happens to be her father, who is taking care of her? (For purposes of this example, assume the father is not abusive.)

What's your etcetera? So you think children SHOULD be allowed to drink, smoke, among other things, including etcetera? Please, do go on.

I'm beginning to see why you want these laws to be passed, especially because you ARE American.

I'm not trying to make you see the world in the same way I do. Obviously we disagree, and that's perfectly normal. All I'm saying is that I really don't think (nor is there any evidence) that a sight of a penis (regardless of the age of the owner) is going to cause harm to those who happen to glance at it (again, regardless of the age or sex of the onlooker.)

Now, if the said middle aged man attempted or committed a sex crime — do to him what is done to such people. And this is regardless of whether he did that in the bathroom or in a restaurant or in a concert hall. Causing harm to others must not be tolerated. I just don't see being male, naked, and middle aged as a crime.

You mean A SPECIAL CASE?

Gee, that's not a pointless argument to deviate from the issue, or anything.

I will also assume the father will help the child bathe at home & not strip down & enter public showers with the little mentally disabled girl.

What's your point?

Again, that comment doesn't give very many specifics on the situation. We don't even know if the showers were gender segregated. The guy commenting may just be trolling for all we know.

If you want to get all worked up over this and throw accusations that we don't care about children's rights I won't stop you, I was only trying to help alleviate your concerns.