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StingingVelvet
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From United States
Posted May 03, 2018
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I thought The Fly remake was a better movie (I heard they are redoing it again), as was the 1968 Ben Hur, which isn't saying much because the original was a three hour silent film. :P
Also sometimes even if a remake is inferior it can still bring something to the table. I quite liked the Robocop remake's drone message and more emotional core, bouncing off a new era of political issues, despite it not being overall as well made as the 80's masterpiece.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-v2BHNBVCs
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Posted May 03, 2018
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-v2BHNBVCs
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Breja
You're in my spot
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Posted May 03, 2018
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timppu
Favorite race: Formula__One
Registered: Jun 2011
From Finland
Posted May 03, 2018
I could have written that. I was kinda anxious to see the Avengers movies and such that they are now airing here on TV )probably so that people would go to cinemas to watch Avengers Infinity War or whatever), but I am totally bored to death when watching them.
Robocop (1987)... now THAT is what a superhero movie should be like! Genuine drama, thought-provoking, dark humor, good action etc. Having slo-mo action scenes where the whole Avengers group jumps towards an alien army from outer space is not my idea of good action.
For Star Wars, I kinda like the first three (oldest) movies (nice space operas with some good space shooting action), but anything beyond that just feels boring. The newest one I've seen so far is The Force Awakens, and I guess I will see Rogue One and Last Jedi at some point, but really not looking forward to it.
The main problem with SW Episodes 1-3 was that their only reason for existence was to fill gaps, kinda like the "happened so far" in the beginning of some TV-series' episodes. They were just explaining what happened before the original SW movies (episodes 4-6), with no real sense of discovery or being amazed what happens next because you pretty much know already beforehand who will survive anyway (because they will be in "later" movies), who will become a baddie, who is a baddie just pretending to be something else, etc.
Especially the episode 2, most of that movie was awkward teen romance between Anakin and Padme. Yeah yeah we get it, that's how Luke got inseminated so that in Ep2 Darth can finally utter "Luke, I am your Vader!", "Nooooooooo....".
And how could they make Yoda appear so STUPID in those movies, saying stupid things like "Careful, we always must be" or "Eat, we remember must". Yoda must have had Alzheimer's already in those movies.
Robocop (1987)... now THAT is what a superhero movie should be like! Genuine drama, thought-provoking, dark humor, good action etc. Having slo-mo action scenes where the whole Avengers group jumps towards an alien army from outer space is not my idea of good action.
For Star Wars, I kinda like the first three (oldest) movies (nice space operas with some good space shooting action), but anything beyond that just feels boring. The newest one I've seen so far is The Force Awakens, and I guess I will see Rogue One and Last Jedi at some point, but really not looking forward to it.
The main problem with SW Episodes 1-3 was that their only reason for existence was to fill gaps, kinda like the "happened so far" in the beginning of some TV-series' episodes. They were just explaining what happened before the original SW movies (episodes 4-6), with no real sense of discovery or being amazed what happens next because you pretty much know already beforehand who will survive anyway (because they will be in "later" movies), who will become a baddie, who is a baddie just pretending to be something else, etc.
Especially the episode 2, most of that movie was awkward teen romance between Anakin and Padme. Yeah yeah we get it, that's how Luke got inseminated so that in Ep2 Darth can finally utter "Luke, I am your Vader!", "Nooooooooo....".
And how could they make Yoda appear so STUPID in those movies, saying stupid things like "Careful, we always must be" or "Eat, we remember must". Yoda must have had Alzheimer's already in those movies.
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StingingVelvet
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Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted May 03, 2018
Sure, I actually own that piece of crap because I collect fantasy (got it for like $5, no worries). I think a great Conan movie COULD be made today though, which is my point. Well maybe not today because we're very much in a family fun fad right now, but at some point.
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StingingVelvet
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Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted May 03, 2018
I love Pulp Fiction but I do agree it's far from his best work and overrated. Jackie Brown is my favorite Tarantino movie, easily.
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Posted May 03, 2018
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I really liked Thorin's casting in The Hobbit, but seriously, Brian Blessed? He would've absolutely slayed in that role!
As for the second and third film, I also think highly of the casting : Smaug, Beorn and Bard were all done very well (though the bear's design felt wrong in places - hindquarters specifically). I'd say my biggest disappointment though was the incredibly protracted final battle, which isn't surprising given how little of the book remained by the end of the second film. The battle started off very well though, and I actually got chills when the elves decided to fight with the dwarves, but most everything after that is just too drawn out and painfully boring. Especially that Legolas fight :\
I was hoping for a relatively short and incredibly intense fight to perhaps even rival the battle at Helm's deep. And it should've prominently featured Beorn. Basically I wanted something like this:
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Really, the problems with the latter two movies are numerous - everything with Gandalf in Dol Guldur, and with Legolas, Tauriel and the whole love triangle stuff is totally out of place, the tonal shift to a grand epic instead of a smaller adventure is just wrong, Bilbo basically bacomes a supporting character, and the evolution of his role in the team is glossed over. Thranduil is needlessly made into a almost villaionous asshole. The "humor" with Laketown Master's sidekick is just cringeworthy. And the final battle is a just a mess of over the top CGI.
That said, it's not irredeemable. I actually re-edited the second and third movie just for myself, with all of the not-in-the-book stuff removed, and some of the extended edition stuff put in (like the dwarves coming out in pairs to introduce themselves to Beorn). I ended up with two 2 hour movies I actually quite enjoyed.
To add to the problems you listed : I think the Mirkwood could've been done better as well. Only because in the book I believe they were stuck in there for weeks, and slowly lost their sanity. But in the film it comes across as just a short romp through the forest.
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StingingVelvet
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From United States
Posted May 03, 2018
I couldn't care less how well it matches the book. The goal of the Hobbit films was obviously just to be Lord of the Rings prequels, and I judge them on that basis. However I still find them lacking due to too much CGI and tone issues. I still enjoy them though.
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Breja
You're in my spot
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To add to the problems you listed : I think the Mirkwood could've been done better as well. Only because in the book I believe they were stuck in there for weeks, and slowly lost their sanity. But in the film it comes across as just a short romp through the forest.
The Mirkwood issue though is actually somewhat improved in the extended edition. It's still not exactly like the book, but they do spend more time there, get properly lost, even make the crossing through the enchanted stream.
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By Toutatis!
Registered: Jan 2011
From South Africa
Posted May 03, 2018
Yeah that was a major wtf moment :P And I'm glad to hear that the extended edition improves the Mirkwood part of the journey. I kind of want to see the extended edition now just on account of that.
By the way, I take it that you are a fan of the original Peter Jackson trilogy? Not sure if you're a rts fan, but have you ever tried LotR : The Battle for Middle Earth? I've always thought it did a tremendous job of capturing the spirit of the film.
By the way, I take it that you are a fan of the original Peter Jackson trilogy? Not sure if you're a rts fan, but have you ever tried LotR : The Battle for Middle Earth? I've always thought it did a tremendous job of capturing the spirit of the film.
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Breja
You're in my spot
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By the way, I take it that you are a fan of the original Peter Jackson trilogy? Not sure if you're a rts fan, but have you ever tried LotR : The Battle for Middle Earth? I've always thought it did a tremendous job of capturing the spirit of the film.
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By the way, I take it that you are a fan of the original Peter Jackson trilogy? Not sure if you're a rts fan, but have you ever tried LotR : The Battle for Middle Earth? I've always thought it did a tremendous job of capturing the spirit of the film.
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