Biggest selling point for Denuvo is fear of pirates and potential loss of money.

But you can't loose money if you never had one, especially if people didn't spend on your title. They will just ignore the title. So why some people just ignore all those pirates?

Besides, all these digital copies - if you have one e-book/game copy of the content, you basically have thousands copies and could sell them virtually to everyone on planet. If they are interested.
Why fear if game/book is cracked? It's not like there's interest in game if you can't sell one.

Is there any other point where piracy isn't that bad?


It's ever so interesting to see how unreasonable people are. Buying software for millions, crippling content providing to feed your business/family, then ordering a article that says this game runs perfect with Denuvo, just because fear of access to paywalled content...

Is it true Denuvo broke hardware on some users?

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Yeah. Those people experiencing performance issues in DOOM before it was removed, and in Assassin's Creed Origins were imagining those lost frames.

Don't forget the fact that Sonic Forces and Sonic Mana certainly aren't improved with the removal of Denuvo.

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Having played DOOM before and after Denuvo was removed, I can tell you there was an approximately 12% increase in frames after Denuvo was removed. Please keep telling people that there is no performance impact with no actual evidence to back it up. If you keep repeating it it may become true. It may not always impact performance, but it certainly does in some cases.

“What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening,”

Well technically there have been. It was caused due to certain errors in the software, such as with the case of Sonic Mania, where persons with weaker CPUs were facing massive frame rate drops, due to the write process constantly looping because of a failure in its parameters. This was with the latest version of Denuvo.

There were early rumors of Denuvo damaging SSDs, turned to be only rumors, no concrete evidence was ever found. My sole grip with Denuvo is that it relies on external servers to enable you to use the game you legit paid for, and not just the first run, it needs to phone home from time to time. The theory of Denuvo damaging hardware is as disproven as your theory that Denuvo does not cause performance problems.

Give it a rest already.

There have been cases where Denuvo checks were implemented inside the game loop providing significant performance drops. Done "correctly" (depending on one's beliefs whether Denuvo can ever be done "correctly"), it shouldn't affect game performance as the checks should be implemented in "run once' instructions (such as the initial game loading or loading between levels). There are other cases where at the same time it was removed in a patch, the same patch came with performance enhancements.

The right answer is that it sometimes causes performance issues depending on if it was implemented in the correct portion of the program.

The hardware damage claims seem to stem from hypothetical situations where Denuvo might cause extra writes to one's SSD, causing it to die earlier than if a game did not have Denuvo. Those claims seem to be stretched, but the same way Denuvo "shouldn't" cause performance loss but sometime does, could mean a faulty implementation theoreticlly could cause excessive drive writes the same way.

Even if Denuvo malware does not cause performance issues, why would i want to install it on my machine? If i'm a paying customer, i expect a good service - and that means a game, not some crapware that restricts my ability to tinker with the game and does god knows what with my computer.

Every discussion about DRM should simply end up with a mention of SecuROM an SafeDisc. Microsoft doesn't support SecuROM and SafeDisc anymore, so if you have a legal copy of those games you can't play them on updated Windows 7 and later UNLESS you find a crack online. Case closed.

*In my confusion I posted in the wrong thread*

I agree. Not sure what you mean exactly? What other kind of points? What would you regard as bad? That might just be a rumour. Haven't heard of any real cases.

The concern about piracy is seriously overblown. There was an interesting article on Techdirt last year about an EU study which is confirming this: EU Buried Its Own $400,000 Study Showing Unauthorized Downloads Have Almost No Effect On Sales.

According to this study "for games, the estimated effect of illegal online transactions on sales is positive – implying that illegal consumption leads to increased legal consumption".