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Fight for the future of Japan in Tokyo Clanpool – now available on GOG!

Tokyo Clanpool is a dungeon RPG where you’ll take your party of heroines deeper and deeper into the tower to counter the monster threat and learn the truth of its origin. Equip Digiskins to customize characters’ skills and abilities while navigating mazelike corridors in first-person perspective. Turn-based combat is fast and strategic, and with your team’s ether-based powers, you can even float or dig tunnels to alter the structure of dungeons.

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Indeed... it is probably enforced by the shops themself, not caused by politics and its laws.

They want to "play it safe"... so anything even barely a risk, is "not worth it" to them. Sure, Steam can easily tackle any costs of possible "law issues" yet it is just not worth it to them as the big cash cows are just a few games generating massive wealth. "Small games" such as this one is just "not worth the troubles" for them.

GOG is a good bit more open minded i say, at least if a game is passing a certain minimum quality. On Steam as good as any game can become released, as long as it is not nearly causing any conflict with the law or the society in general.
Of course Steam was doing a good bunch of "illegal stuff" already but it was always done "out of having a massive self centered gain out of it"... never because of some moralistic views such as "able to provide the freedom of expression, including art".
Post edited December 20, 2024 by Xeshra
I was going to buy this too but if they want to remove content then they will not get a cent out of me.
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Xeshra: Whats the problem? GOG got "region lock" such as any other shop. In term something is illegal in Japan
You seem to forget, this game was developed in Japan. Sold UNCUT in Japan on Vita and deemed suitable for 17 year olds. There is no law in Japan that would prevent GOG selling in Japan. The problem, as always, is localisers not licensing for release in Japan and then LYING about selling worldwide.

You also don't seem to realise that one of GOG's original principles was that they would NEVER sell any game that could not be sold worldwide. Many here might not care that they dropped that, but I do. And I will remind them of it every single time they pull a stunt like this.
Post edited December 20, 2024 by bansama
Let me dive into this entire issue, as i now checked its entire history.

It seems this game has been released in Japan only (!) on PS Vita in the year 2017, so 7 years ago, developed by Compile Heart.

Now, some team, Eastasiasoft to be precise, was translating and porting this game to PC and Switch, as a "world wide release" and now they apparently seem to have issues releasing this game on Steam and even more platforms... as a cut version (awesome in a bad way)!

The Japanese language is completely removed because they probably lack any rights to it...

Some people say "nude stuff... (i would not call it porn in this case)" is forbidden in Japan, India... whatelse... but so far no specified law was actually forbidding it. So it was "out of fear" or lets say "self censorship" from the shop owners telling us "it is forbidden by law" and/or whatever they got in mind. Ultimately they simply do not want any hassles which may come with it.

My statement simply is: They got the option to make a region lock and yes they are always using it on regional pricing, so it works. Just in case this entire "law issue" is a matter to them...

I do not know why the publishers say "It is a world wide release" but Japan and/or other countries are locked out of this release. Perhaps they need to execute a "special licensing" for Japan only... i lack any insight here. Fact is simply, they do not own a license for distribution in Japan so it can not be offered there... and in this case even lacking Japanese language, which is actually available because this is the "source language" of the original version.

No, i am not so happy what is happening here... indeed... so they should get over it and try to make a "true world wide release" and provide a uncensor patch at some external site... in case GOG is refusing hosting it on their site because way to dangerous for public mental health or whatever.


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bansama: he problem, as always, is localisers not licensing for release in Japan and then LYING about selling worldwide.
Indeed, i think the word "worldwide" in this case is dishonest... but i never said "they always spell out the truth".

The correct words would be "english release".
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bansama: You also don't seem to realise that one of GOG's original principles was that they would NEVER sell any game that could not be sold worldwide. Many here might not care that they dropped that, but I do. And I will remind them of it every single time they pull a stunt like this.
GOG got in overall a limited customer base and i think not really deserved because they are better than what they get "credited for".

Another issue on top of that is: The majority of their customers are from Europe and US... the other customers are already the minority it seems. So we can say, GOG is mainly a Europe and US distributor.

In this case... the Asia market for GOG is so far still very tiny and it is not worth it to them selling any game "Asia" or even "Japan" only.

We could argue because GOG is not offering sufficient stuff for those in Asia and Japan.... but on the other hand those customers are as well very rarely "to be seen" on GOG... it is "vice versa" and somehow GOG and their Asian/Japanese customers need to "get out of this unhealthy spiral which can never reach a new level this way".
Post edited December 21, 2024 by Xeshra
Actually, today i got "PS5: Xuan Yuan Sword: The Gate of Firmament - Collector's Edition" from Eastasiasoft. the same publisher involved with the release of "Tokyo Clanpool". It is a "numbered" (probably limited to uhm... 1000?!°° it seems) HK-Import with apparently english and japanese text (chinese included as well), although spoken language is chinese. Currently almost for free on Steam but no GOG version... i dunno why... i think many GOG gamers may have enjoyed a release here. To me not a biggie yet because i enjoy a shiny CE box for the PS5, yet, if there is any GOG version i surely may still get it as well.

Another thing i am not sure is why the game is another HK only release, Probably because the licensing for HK only was way cheaper than a "world wide licensing" and the customer base is very tiny as well, so they probably had in mind... another time "to play it safe". It may be able to grant some more insight on how this publisher is behaving.

The Steam release is most likely from another publisher known as "Softstar Entertainment". Yet, the same language is "used" for this game, it seems, so it is essentially the same version with some improvements such as a 100% gamepad-compatibility on PS5. It can get confusing i feel, as the entire "rights situation" and how those companies involved are making their decisions seems with limited transparency.

Surely very fair pricing, it is not the price tag of a NIS game.

°°Probably true because 99% of the people either buy it from the PSN store or from Steam (which is both DRM as a side note). So the CE is truly extremely rar. Oh and do not forget the "digital issue": Saving is not possible offline. This is similar to Softstar Entertainment's other game Empire of Angels IV which has never been fixed.
Post edited December 21, 2024 by Xeshra
Any news on the censored/removed content's matter? Or the publisher is still playing the victim after lying their customers on the store page?
I really want to (re)buy the game, but knowing that there's removed content (worthless or not) is a real turn off for me
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TestGirlFan: Any news on the censored/removed content's matter? Or the publisher is still playing the victim after lying their customers on the store page?
I really want to (re)buy the game, but knowing that there's removed content (worthless or not) is a real turn off for me
Nothing yet: see screenshot
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It sounds like his true stance is:
"We accidentally forgot to even think about GOG as we are primarily focused on Nintendo. The Nintendo customers will not notice the lacking mini-game and regarding GOG... wait... can you explain me the meaning of this word please... perhaps i may remember it better after. Anyway... even if we are gonna release a uncensor patch on ... G G... ah GOG... it would mean a disadvantage toward Nintendos customers and we do want to treat all the same. So in this case GOG and Eastasiasoft will have to suffer because Nintendo does not care either way, just the customers might care... at some place... not sure what place but it definitely is at a certain place".

Whats the essence? The core of the whole matter is avoided as much as possible but lets just pretend there is hope, because this is the only thing the customers currently can "trust on".

Anyone thinks GOG may ban it or cause any issue? I doubt it... there are "worse" stuff released on GOG already. So the whole matter somehow is linked to Nintendo... not Steam because Steam is already "done and gone".
Post edited December 23, 2024 by Xeshra
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TestGirlFan: Any news on the censored/removed content's matter? Or the publisher is still playing the victim after lying their customers on the store page?
I really want to (re)buy the game, but knowing that there's removed content (worthless or not) is a real turn off for me
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tremere110: Nothing yet: see screenshot
I see, so nothing changed then... oh well I'll vote with my wallet ton not support game censoring and keep my money then... Oh no! I'm part of the problem now! lol


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Xeshra: It sounds like his true stance is:
"We accidentally forgot to even think about GOG as we are primarily focused on Nintendo. The Nintendo customers will not notice the lacking mini-game and regarding GOG... wait... can you explain me the meaning of this word please... perhaps i may remember it better after. Anyway... even if we are gonna release a uncensor patch on ... G G... ah GOG... it would mean a disadvantage toward Nintendos customers and we do want to treat all the same. So in this case GOG and Eastasiasoft will have to suffer because Nintendo does not care either way, just the customers might care... at some place... not sure what place but it definitely is at a certain place".

Whats the essence? The core of the whole matter is avoided as much as possible but lets just pretend there is hope, because this is the only thing the customers currently can "trust on".
Love how they still are trying to please Nintendo with censoring the game, and they didn't even let them to do an e-shop release of this game lol

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Xeshra: Anyone thinks GOG may ban it or cause any issue? I doubt it... there are "worse" stuff released on GOG already. So the whole matter somehow is linked to Nintendo... not Steam because Steam is already "done and gone".
I don't think so. GOG would be more than happy to have at least an "uncesor-able" version of this game with having an offsite patch (they even let H-Game devs to do off site uncensor patches releases). What is happening with TC is very weird.
That EAS spokesman also said that they presented both uncensored and censored versions to Steam and they were rejected long ago, meaning that they were working with an already censored version for some time already. They also said that the Switch and GOG versions are identical...
An alternate GOG build that can use an external "DLC" file (that has all the "offending" data) to re-add the minigame and uncensored movie wouldn't be too hard for them to make... unless they actually don't want to do it of course
The point is, no matter if they gonna release a GOG uncensor patch for the PC version, the Nintendo version is not affected because it is not compatible with the Nintendo version, nor can you just patch it there, as this is a closed platform.

It looks to me like Eastasiasoft is extremely afraid of Nintendo "dropping their support" as this is basically "their last real straw" that has been left to them.

Fact is: Tokyo Clanpool has ONLY been released on Nintendo HK, physical and E-shop version... no other place. I do not think there will be any more sales than for the GOG version, as long as they can not land a "world wide Nintendo release"... which they apparently worry it might not be possible...

Perhaps they may try a world wide release but the problem is... maybe (i am NOT Nintendo, no clue how they handle it) Nintendo may execute a "world wide ban" in term they fail passing a world wide release-validation.

Still... NO CLUE what it got to do with the GOG version because the PC and Nintendo version are not compatible with each others and the Nintendo game can NOT be patched using the PC-GOG-version.

Anyway, no matter how difficult it seems to be for them... if they want to succeed in some way on GOG, uncensor patch is a requirement, else i feel... they may lose half or even more of the customers because of it. On GOG the customers are overly sensitive if it comes to censorship, this is the issue here. On Nintendo the customers are less demanding but certainly with a bigger "mass".
Post edited December 24, 2024 by Xeshra
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TestGirlFan: Any news on the censored/removed content's matter? Or the publisher is still playing the victim after lying their customers on the store page?
I really want to (re)buy the game, but knowing that there's removed content (worthless or not) is a real turn off for me
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tremere110: Nothing yet: see screenshot
Err I voted with my wallet a long time ago,. No Nintendo, no EA, no Capcom, no Sega(unless they drop Denuvo), No Rockstar, no Ubi etc. I have no moral Problems with the high seas anyways(one Concession, I still play WoW).
Voting with your wallet might not change things but hey it does feel good.

In the case of the publisher here, I don't blame them, but if they don't stick up for themselves.....why would I support them ?
I can deal without the game, jeez my backlog is endless anyways.
Post edited December 25, 2024 by Reaper9988
Does anyone have any answers to the questions I posted earlier in this thread?
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dtgreene: Does anyone have any answers to the questions I posted earlier in this thread?
I don't but google has about 5 reviews on top(With german Ip, most likely more outside).......I'm trying to find a review for the 2017 release lol.
Post edited December 25, 2024 by Reaper9988
In term of gameplay experience it comes closest to Mary Skelter 1+2, another dungeon crawler with comparable style. However, related to the questions: Not sure anyone is focusing on such specific content, because for most gamers a game is a "overall experience" and not strictly pinned down to a bunch of mechanics.

I as well fail to answer those stuff without "hunting" those questions asked, which is surely not my thing.

Besides, Mary Skelter 2 was facing the same issue considering censorship... Luckily, at some later point they finally released a external "restoration patch" there. Mary Skelter 1 was always uncensored, as far as i know.

Indeed, the fans way pretty enraged, reason rating is still so bad.
Post edited December 25, 2024 by Xeshra
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GameZard: I was going to buy this too but if they want to remove content then they will not get a cent out of me.
Same. If it is censored I'm not buying it.