Apcarne: I can't help but notice that all the VNs on GOG currently seem to be the type aimed at a male audience. I'd love to see some otome games on here. (Would also love to see more gender-neutral non-fanservicey type mystery/horror/SF VNs as well.)

Apcarne: I can't help but notice that all the VNs on GOG currently seem to be the type aimed at a male audience. I'd love to see some otome games on here. (Would also love to see more gender-neutral non-fanservicey type mystery/horror/SF VNs as well.)

Lucumo: Hm? What about the Higurashi and Umineko stuff? Fata morgana no Yakata? What about Hatoful Boyfriend? Even the new releases are 50/50.

Apcarne: No, yuri is targeting a male audience in the same way that lesbian porn targets a male audience. Yaoi/BL targets a female audience (and I haven't seen any of that on here, not that I've been looking closely or that I'm saying that's what I want). All the yuri is 100% part of what I was including in my observation that it seems to be mostly male-targeted games. (That's not to say that all men like yuri. Again, I'm talking *target audience*, not the entirety of who enjoys the games.)

And I'm not saying that no females enjoy yuri or harem or male-aimed sexual games targeted at a male audience. Some do, sure. That doesn't mean they're made for women to enjoy.

Also, I think it's a little disingenuous to count Hatoful Boyfriend as otome. I see people classifying it as such often, and the thing is, it's really more of a parody of otome. The "hot guys" are birds and you can't do anything to make them not look like birds. The eye candy factor is removed. That doesn't mean it's not an interesting game or not worth playing, but it's clearly not a regular otome female-romance-fantasy game.

liltimmypoccet: You're allowed to enjoy your sick porn and I'm allowed to point out the fact that it's sick. Just don't try to rationalize the whole thing and pretend that it is a sane thing to watch.

GOG should show more respect to people who don't want to be exposed to that content.

liltimmypoccet: Why would I complain about bestiality on a PC gaming forum of a site that doesn't distribute such content? Talk about backwards logic.

Apcarne: No, yuri is targeting a male audience

Telika: Woah. Wait a minute, there...

Ophelium: Lolis aren't real.

liltimmypoccet: So pedophile is a taboo word here? Please suggest me an appropriate synonym so I can share my opinion and not break the rules.

tinyE: Do you think if I hung out in a restaurant all day, refusing to order, telling people how bad the food is, they'd let me stay there?

Breja: I get it, I'm a terrible person for thinking that games of obviously sexual nature with characters wearing school uniforms are creepy and I should be ashamed that such images aren't something I want to be greeted with when I log in.

Telika: This explains a lot (starting with what is a loli, why have i never heard of that thing and whether I should care). But, as I was just skimming through the thread, I had just the mind blown by "Promoting feudal superstitions" as a reason for censorship. Even just within the Chinese context, is that applied, can it be applied, what would or wouldn't qualifiy, how does it work ? And what if it was applied in other countries ? Religion, homeopathy, flat earthing, ghosts sightings, astrology, witchcraft, so many little tongue in cheek rituals and festivals, wham, imagine the crackdown.

So yeah, totally off topic, but I'm intensely amused and mind-boggled by this sentence. And now genuinely curious about how it is used, legally.

Telika: I had just the mind blown by "Promoting feudal superstitions" as a reason for censorship. Even just within the Chinese context, is that applied, can it be applied, what would or wouldn't qualifiy, how does it work ? And what if it was applied in other countries ? Religion, homeopathy, flat earthing, ghosts sightings, astrology, witchcraft, so many little tongue in cheek rituals and festivals, wham, imagine the crackdown.

So yeah, totally off topic, but I'm intensely amused and mind-boggled by this sentence. And now genuinely curious about how it is used, legally.

kohlrak: Devs ultimately are the ones to be held accountable, whether for censorship or making games, at least that's how it is in the current set up.

As for retailers not wanting controversy, they're passing up an opportunity to stand out above their competition. Some sites at this point are known for being free speech zones for some of these games, but they're also notorious for untranslated versions, iirc. For me, that's not a problem. I got a PS4 for christmas, and i bought Final Fantasy XII and Final Fantasy 零式 (Final Fantasy Type-0) from play-asia.com just so i could have the original japanese versions so i'm not playing this stupid game of censorship, bad translations, etc. Unfortunately, not everyone is gifted with my abilities, so it's on behalf of these people i argue.

As for laws varying from country to country, the current solutions aren't working, so we need to actually develop a proper solution. But, we won't, so long as we're willing to cave all the time.

kohlrak: I normally don't care, but since there's the implication that people who might be interested in trying something are now buying what they think is uncensored, only to find out later that it is censored, i find that annoying ,especially when they can't even provide The Witcher (i understand it's a separate sister-company) in an all-ages version. It's blatant hypocrisy the moment they're making demands of devs. I'm really curious how this affects cyberpunk, as well. No sex will lead to a disappointed customer, but having sex in the game then releasing it on gog without requiring a de-censor patch will very, very likely result in the VN crowd exploding, and rightfully so.

kohlrak: I'm glad you see my point. kohlrak: That's funny, i see other people arguing that it does have cultural significance. Oh, it's from "their culture." Ok, so should we ban stuff from other cultures, too? Just because you see no value in that which is being censored doesn't mean that someone else doesn't. Who are you to say what does and does not have enough value to be banned? Give someone the power to censor what you don't like, and you will give them the same power to censor the things that you do like. Conservative Christians like myself are feeling this right now, hardcore, when i'm told I can't read my bible (to myself) in public institutions such as schools. Being threatened over my bible gave me a wakeup call that even degenerate stuff nees protected, because in the end, if it's not the thing government or whomever likes at the time, it's automatically degenerate. kohlrak: Loli, in theory, is child porn, but it's not really htat simple. And something isn't magically "loli" simply because something appears to depict minors. How old are these girls? Here's a hint, they're old enough to be worried about menopause. If they appeared in the nude, would it be "loli" or "child porn," or if they were drawn as a cartoon, would that apply? Their real age does come out in other pictures a little bit better, so you can say "but makeup," and i return with "and Japan is famous for it's makeup culture, and i imagine we should expect things from Japan to reflect that."

kohlrak: I can get behind that, but "we need better filters" is a far cry from "burn the loli that isn't even loli!!"