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Syphon72: No one is dictating to you not to buy from Ubisoft.
Did you not see what I quoted? The click-bait content creator basically said it in as many words. Good thing people aren't major gullible fans of such content...

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Syphon72: You are free to keep buying from a shitty company like Ubisoft, which is super pro-DRM.
Yes, that's why they have 57 games on GOG.

*slow claps*

But you are of course right, I agree. I am free to ignore sensationalist nonsense and enjoy gaming as I see fit.
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rojimboo: Yes, that's why they have 57 games on GOG.
They became pro-DRM after allowing GOG the license to those early games that they're too narrow-minded to care one way or another and have simply not removed them since. That's why we have only the first Asscreed and first 2 Far Cry's. Hope isn't lost of course, I have DRM-free copies of all Asscreeds up to Syndicate and Far Cry 3/4/5. That Ubisoft doesn't see any profit from used or "used" copies is a plus.
Post edited October 22, 2024 by LegoDnD
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kai2: While we watch the implosion of UbiSoft with SW Outlaws and AC Shadows...
Well with Ubisoft delaying Shadows until next year, it's going to be more of a slow burn ;)
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Swedrami: Thank you for getting comfortable not owning Ubisoft's games
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rojimboo: Yes, click-baity content creator in it for the money - I will definitely take your advice on what I choose to buy or not to buy, or enjoy or not to enjoy.

You won't be dictating to me that I can't buy and enjoy Anno games until the day I die, thank you very much.

The rest is just such sensationalist nonsense, I don't even know where to begin. Oh right! Nowhere.
The dude in the YT video is Japanese and their culture is quite different than Western culture. The whole video wasn't so much about Ubisofts pricing practices or its DRM policies but about its depiction of its Funko like figure hanging on the broken torii gate which is an actual broken gate that was turned into a monument representing all the life lost after the bombing of Nagasaki and many Japanese people are not happy about it, which is why Ubi pulled out and its been a marketing nightmare for them. As far as the Youtuber and the video, don't know the guy don't know if he is just jumping on the hate bandwagon or not but like I said about Japan and its culture, they don't mess around when it comes to honoring the dead and its symbolization as its tied into their religious practices.
Regardless how you feel about it or others is besides the point, I think OP just wanted to point it out. But yeah, many A good chunk of Japaneses people feel extremely disrespected and its not just a bunch of people from the West with blue hair pounding on drums over something trivial like a pixelated bathing suit or whatever.
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VomitChrist: *snip*
So pretty much like this Japanese commenting on a deleted trailer for the new AC:
UBISOFT DELETED THIS TRAILER! Assassin's Creed Shadows IS INSANE! (on youtube)
Remind me again what happens if there is huge controversy about a game?
(see: Hogwarts Legacy)
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renegade042: Remind me again what happens if there is huge controversy about a game?
(see: Hogwarts Legacy)
Drastically different things, apparently. Hogwarts Legacy sold 12 million units in its first two weeks of release, Outlaws sold 1 million in a month. Then again I don't think there's any "huge controversy" about Outlaws, it just seems to be almost universaly considered kind of "meh", so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
Post edited October 22, 2024 by Breja
The sales numbers are nothing ever able to surprise me. The thing that would make me surprised almost to the level of confusion is if those 2 games would ever become released on GOG.

As it stands now, Ubisoft would rather sink all the way to the bottom of a lake on a way to huge ship instead of considering giving up their "DRM" or "account"-policy. Albeit, Hogwards Legacy at least had some nice success; but this is not hard because the people got a soft spot for anything related to those "Harry Potter"-material. Only need to bring up this name, or this world, and it may sell almost automatically, even for a game absolutely "average" in quality.

Star Wars may run well too, but those fans are clearly more demanding.

I still think it is more likely to happen having a Hogwards Legacy on GOG because there are actually a lot of Warner Bros games here, just not the newest titles.

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Syphon72: You are free to keep buying from a shitty company like Ubisoft, which is super pro-DRM.
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rojimboo: Yes, that's why they have 57 games on GOG.

*slow claps*

But you are of course right, I agree. I am free to ignore sensationalist nonsense and enjoy gaming as I see fit.
On GOG we got classic-, true classic, -titles only. If they keep continuing with the mandatory-account practice, we may never see another Ubisoft-game ever again.

I am actually a big lover of the movie "Avatar" and so i even was getting me the Ubisoft-game "Avatar" for a price of over 100 coins right at the launch. However, as soon as i noticed that i need to create/use a Ubisoft account with constant online-demand, EVEN ON A PS5, i was instantly giving this game BACK to the shop and was demanding my MONEY BACK. I am out of acceptance... if they want acceptance they may need to look elsewhere, perhaps on Steam there are those "almost all-accepting peoples".

I even was creating a "bad review" about those DRM-practice, enough is enough. Yes, there was many peoples protecting Ubisoft and praising their own will to accept almost anything but i could not care less, they are free to praise their acceptance in the same line i am free to praise my "lack of acceptance".

However... and this is kinda crazy... people, if they start to become "non accepting"; all they fear is if someone is against their policy which usually (there are exceptions) got nothing do to with "owning" or "how they need to play a game"... because they are used to be a proletarian. What they still care about are "woke-stuff" or... if some historical stuff has been turned into a somewhat "bad light"... in a game that is actually a lot of fiction and it may not need to be historically or politically correct. Yet, this is the thing people care about the most: Political or historical correctness, which is of course always with a lot of propaganda involved.

In the most extreme case they may get a game, which got Denuvo, Arxan (the industry somehow found out a way to make it work both together for even more "user security") and 5 accounts attached (as well the industry found a way how to make a series of accounts work together by auto-linking it inside a main-account). The gamers may start to moan a little but, after creating all the accounts and using "auto-logging", and by providing 10-20% of the PC-performance for the decryption-stuff... they will catch a new fresh-all-accepting breath and start the game. Instantly they start to become enraged kinda like a Minotaur on steroids because they saw something "woke" or because something in the story or perception was against their sense of "political or historical-correctness" and they are so utterly insulted... they simply will have to stop playing it and becoming eternally insulted after... sounds like science fiction but it is very close to the truth.

It is somewhat a "witch hunt"; but not against genuine freedom or economical/social-integrity (being poor or non-owning is obviously a obstacle to freedom and economical integrity), it is against anything that is not precisely able to fit their mindset of social and political "acceptance". It is not possible to please anyone, of course not, but some stuff can become accepted... other stuff simply not. To me economical integrity and in general social integrity (social and economical are closely linked in many cases, mind you) are the key factors for "well being" in many cases while other stuff i can "accept/ agree to disagree" not to much of a issue to me... or as i say "freedom of the creator".

Besides; i do consider myself "androgyn", so i actually would not mind how someone is being calling me as "both" is alright to me. Now those who dare may try to hunt me... i am waiting. Nah, it may not happen... but i just want to say "acceptance" goes both-... and every -way. It is not something people do need to know, but at some point it might become obvious.
Post edited October 22, 2024 by Xeshra
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renegade042: Remind me again what happens if there is huge controversy about a game?
(see: Hogwarts Legacy)
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Breja: Drastically different things, apparently. Hogwarts Legacy sold 12 million units in its first two weeks of release, Outlaws sold 1 million in a month. Then again I don't think there's any "huge controversy" about Outlaws, it just seems to be almost universaly considered kind of "meh", so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
The controversy was that the main character had two fatal flaws - she is "not white" AND she is female Therfore it iwas a Blackrock invested Sweet Baby pressurised DEI woke propaganda game that UBI made to not sell the game but to annoy the "real gamers" on the interwebs. That was the problem with this game! Not that the writing is a bit bland, and the game is a bit bland. ,

edit - the best thing I have heard is people saying that the horrible mess that is Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League failed, is not because of the atrocious lack of content and the "live service" monitization - but that the game is woke because Harlyquinn has a smaller ass and dont sway her hips as much. So - go woke and go broke!
Post edited October 22, 2024 by amok
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amok: The controversy was that the main character had two fatal flaws - she is "not white"
Wait... she's not?

I'm confused now. I mean, not that it matters in this case, but I could swear she's white.
This whole "skin-discussion" is nonsense, really... in fact there are many skin-tones from dark to white, some people are in between and the main actor is still white but rather on the "darker" side, usually the people you would meet in Mexico or even more south from there. In Europe, some Romanian ethnic people are comparable to it.

Simply reducing humans to some "skin tone" is just nonsense. However, fact is that the "true white people"; i mean those with very bright skin and non brown eyes, are increasingly becoming rare and it is possible they can become eradicated at some point, as the darker-colors are more dominant. So if we combine a white with a dark one, the result is always way more dark than white, genetic science. Myself i am actually more white than i would enjoy to admit, as i will have to protect myself from the sun a lot with such a bright skin, which is actually increasingly rare in the world.

While i do understand that the future might not look "very bright" in term of genetics or other stuff; this is a fact, it got nothing to do with the quality of a game or a human. I may even get me a "dark" woman if it happens... then it happens. Actually i am already in a rather close connection with a pretty "dark" woman (Indian genetics), who knows what will happen there.

Please people, stop the Blackrock or whatever nonsense... it is just as interesting and creative such as a lollipop that has been sucked many days in a row with only a shattered stick left that is nearly falling out of someones mouth.
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amok: because Harlyquinn has a smaller ass and dont sway her hips as much. So - go woke and go broke!
Those stuff is just so dull, i think you should try to reflect way more about the stuff you are "saying", else it is difficult taking it serious, excuse me.

Anyway, in term Ubisoft is releasing this game on GOG without those account-stuff i would consider buying it, but not any sooner than that. Difficult task, but nothing "may last forever".
Post edited October 22, 2024 by Xeshra
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amok: The controversy was that the main character had two fatal flaws - she is "not white"
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Breja: Wait... she's not?

I'm confused now. I mean, not that it matters in this case, but I could swear she's white.
You are clearly not listening to the right YouTubers, and that makes you a DEI shill
(Edit - the actress is Humberly González, originaly from Venezuela, which is therefore (because logic, don't ask) "not white")
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amok: because Harlyquinn has a smaller ass and dont sway her hips as much. So - go woke and go broke!
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Xeshra: Those stuff is just so dull, i think you should try to reflect way more about the stuff you are "saying", else it is difficult taking it serious, excuse me.
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you are not trying to imply *shock* that those people are wrong? The failure of Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League is clearly that it had gone woke. If you do not agree you are a Sweet Baby Inc shill.
Post edited October 22, 2024 by amok
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VomitChrist: *snip*
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viperfdl: So pretty much like this Japanese commenting on a deleted trailer for the new AC:
UBISOFT DELETED THIS TRAILER! Assassin's Creed Shadows IS INSANE! (on youtube)
The one legged Torii is perhaps the most holy thing there, as it is basically the "only thing" that survived but not the "only being" surviving it: The most holy living entities are the Camphor Trees at Sanno Shinto Shrine https://nagasaki.kusunoki-project.jp/page/en/tree/detail_02.html which survived the blast and are being keept alive with a very high effort. In most countries, trees are handled like material you can abuse and use as you please. In Japan however, certain old trees are considered something very holy. They got dedicated "tree doctors" looking at the trees all the time, no joke.
https://nagasaki.kusunoki-project.jp/page/en/tree/index.html
Tree 29 and Tree 30 are not shown, as the owners did not want to show them.

Anyway, it is well understood that those matters are "sacred" and should be handled with a lot of care, so Ubisoft was not sufficiently sensitive. Not even because of bad historical knowledge but in general not being able do adapt to a certain culture, despite using its cultural matters "as a reference" on games.
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Breja: Wait... she's not?

I'm confused now. I mean, not that it matters in this case, but I could swear she's white.
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amok: You are clearly not listening to the right YouTubers, and that makes you a DEI shill
(Edit - the actress is Humberly González, originaly from Venezuela, which is therefore (because logic, don't ask) "not white")
I dare to say awful lot of people may not care your logic, as they are flawed. Excuse me... i am amazed in a way hard to describe.
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amok: you are not trying to imply *shock* that those people are wrong? The failure of Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League is clearly that it had gone woke. If you do not agree you are a Sweet Baby Inc shill.
I do not care who is right or wrong, as much as it is in many terms very hard to describe if something is black or white, it can as well be something in between.

I do not agree nor disagree because in fact, "woke" got no meaning to me... i may even accidentally not even notice it. All i want is a good game made with a great community and... despite all the profit-money-making decisions and strong focus on it... i do still care even more simply a "good heart and a good attitude" toward everything possible. If it starts getting impossible sometimes i may have to spell out matters, yet it still try to be as respectful as possible, as long as human beings and.... indeed... something sacred is involved; which can be way more than "human beings".

If Ubisoft wants to recruit/build up a high diversity in certain terms... with more or a lot of women involved, people with a very different heritage considering their "non mainstream" personalities... then so be it; this is fine to me. However, the main priority should always be on "getting something/someone truly capable and talented". As long as this is possible... it does not matter how many secondary targets or conditions they may want to "address" considering their "human setup".
Post edited October 22, 2024 by Xeshra
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Xeshra: ...snip
Please don't take this the wrong way, and this might seem extremely offensive to a lot of people especially yourself, and consider that English is actually my third language (maybe second best actually these days) so the problem lies partly in me too.

But I couldn't make heads or tails of your long text. I believe though that there are some good bits in there, and as you wrote a lot and quoted me, maybe I owed you something, a small reply at the least.

So I used ChatGPT, and asked it to write me a clearer text, that is easier to follow whilst keeping the same tone as the original. Here's what I got:

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Xeshra: I’m a huge fan of the movie Avatar, so I bought the Ubisoft Avatar game as soon as it launched, even though it cost over 100 coins. But once I realized I needed to create and use a Ubisoft account that required a constant online connection—even on a PS5—I immediately returned the game and demanded a refund. I can’t accept this. If Ubisoft is looking for people who will accept that kind of thing, maybe they’ll find them on Steam, where people seem to accept almost anything.

I even wrote a negative review about their DRM practices because I’ve had enough. Sure, there are people defending Ubisoft and praising their willingness to accept anything, but I don’t care. They can praise their acceptance just as much as I can be proud of my refusal to accept it.

Here’s the crazy part: when people stop accepting things, what they really seem to fear is someone disagreeing with their policies—policies that often have nothing to do with owning or playing a game. It’s almost like they’ve become accustomed to being part of a system. What they care about are "woke" issues or if some historical event is portrayed in a bad light in a game, even if the game is mostly fictional and doesn’t need to be historically or politically accurate. Still, people focus on political and historical correctness, which is often influenced by propaganda.

In extreme cases, people will buy a game loaded with DRM like Denuvo and Arxan, which the industry has figured out how to run together for extra "user security," and with five different accounts linked together (the industry has also managed to auto-link multiple accounts under one main account). Gamers might complain a little, but after creating all the accounts and using auto-login, and sacrificing 10-20% of their PC’s performance for decryption processes, they’ll take a deep breath, accept it all, and start the game. But then they’ll get furious—like a Minotaur on steroids—because they saw something "woke" or because the story conflicts with their sense of political or historical correctness. They’ll feel so offended that they’ll stop playing the game and stay angry about it. It sounds like science fiction, but it’s pretty close to reality.

It’s almost like a witch hunt, but not against real freedom or social and economic integrity (because being poor or lacking ownership obviously limits freedom and economic stability). Instead, it’s a hunt against anything that doesn’t fit into their narrow view of social and political acceptance. You can’t please everyone, of course, but some things are accepted, while other things never will be. To me, economic and social integrity are the most important factors for well-being (since social and economic issues are often linked), and I’m okay with agreeing to disagree on other things. I believe in the "freedom of the creator."

As a side note, I consider myself androgynous, so I don’t mind being referred to as either gender. People who want to "hunt" me for that can go ahead—I’m ready. It probably won’t happen, but I just want to point out that acceptance goes both ways, in every direction. It’s not something people need to know, but at some point, it might become obvious.
So I finally understood what you were saying. And sorry again. But I had to.

And yes, I agree for the most part with what you wrote. The outraged people who want to cancel games due to their own narrow-minded prejudist views, are not doing it for the reasons they outwardly project. Like you said, "What they care about are "woke" issues or if some historical event is portrayed in a bad light in a game, even if the game is mostly fictional and doesn’t need to be historically or politically accurate. Still, people focus on political and historical correctness, which is often influenced by propaganda...They’ll feel so offended that they’ll stop playing the game and stay angry about it. It sounds like science fiction, but it’s pretty close to reality."

These guys couldn't care less that a fictional story is historically accurate or not, or that it might offend a nation. If they did, then where was the outcry when a white guy was the main protagonist samurai set in Japan (Nioh)? Not. One. Peep. From the same crowd. Not one. And Yasuke featured also in that *Japanese* made game. Hypocritical you might say? It goes much deeper than that. There's a demographic out there that is being played. Their insecurities are taken advantage of, either when it comes to women, or people of different color and sexual preference. They are afraid, and here's something that fits their worldview, tells them something comforting and uplifting. That they are better than some people. And hook line and sinker, they swallow it up. A foreign, war-like nation's propaganda, that is actively targeting them speaks to them. And no, this time it's not a conspiracy theory - this is documented and proven. It's tragic, really. The misinformation works in so many areas, but with gamer chuds - they don't even need to try, they're already halfway convinced. It's so easy.

What's the solution? A chronic lack of empathy is not solvable by medication. However, the ability to recognise misinformation can be learned. Apparently Finnish people were the best in detecting it (no flex), in some random study, but why? There's no anti-propaganda courses in school that I was aware of. Where did we learn this ability to detect and reject disinformation and misinformation? If we find the answer to that, maybe we can help these people.
Look, do as you please, in case it is helping you out with understanding. To me, it would not help because the issue is, translators or "correctors" are purely logical and are always attaching or bringing the stuff together which is logical and common language to them, along with the matter or sentence which have been brought up.

Example: I said "they start to become enraged like a minotaur on steroids". The "corrector" said "they will get furious like a minotaur on steroids". I got in mind that they will GAIN (linked to this event) a enraged effect comparable to a minotaur using/on steroids. Nothing to do with "being furious", but in order to understand the corrector... or you... need to be a real gamer because the condition "enraged-effect" is part of game history. Something being "furious" is just a perception we may have but there is no effect linked to it... it does not fit the "gamer language": Many comparable mistakens has been made but perhaps it can be understood even better as there are more commonly fitting words used for certain things the majority may spell out in a comparable way.

Anyway, it is surely a complicated language; albeit i have to say, your language is pretty complicated in order understand as well. I really have to figure out "how it may make sense" or "how it is actually meant to be". So i am still figuring it out... but without the help of a AI, because it may just create a solution which i may understand but futher away from the "original intention". In other words "I may have in mind i now understand whats going on, but this is an illusion".

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rojimboo: Still, people focus on political and historical correctness, which is often influenced by propaganda...They’ll feel so offended that they’ll stop playing the game and stay angry about it. It sounds like science fiction, but it’s pretty close to reality."
Well, those are the "AIs" words it seems. In this shape, trying to "serve" as a base for people becoming upset after... it is almost always with some, or even a lot, of propaganda involved; because it is usually biased or one-sided. They will almost always "boost" the matter important to them... but if there are any "flaws" which is serving their view, it is obviously not a flaw or even ignored. I do not mean the sort of history or even politics you can read on "well documented historical books", rather the sort of history mainly "created themself" out of certain (often pretty personal) beliefs. For example: "In the bible there is written it is forbidden to use drugs, or to drink... even to smoke"... but actually there are no such words written there. However, it is indeed a sin "breaking a bond"; yet many people do it all the time.

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rojimboo: These guys couldn't care less that a fictional story is historically accurate or not, or that it might offend a nation. If they did, then where was the outcry when a white guy was the main protagonist samurai set in Japan (Nioh)? Not. One. Peep. From the same crowd. Not one. And Yasuke featured also in that *Japanese* made game. Hypocritical you might say? It goes much deeper than that. There's a demographic out there that is being played. Their insecurities are taken advantage of, either when it comes to women, or people of different color and sexual preference. They are afraid, and here's something that fits their worldview, tells them something comforting and uplifting. That they are better than some people.
Up to this point it is easy to follow i feel. Those people are in fact weak and so they want to regain confidence and strength by pointing at some "evil obstacle" they need to overcome. It makes them in some way "mighty" as it clearly got some effect if done by a big mass of equal minded people with comparable issues. As long as it goes toward the right direction, everything is "fine" but the acceptance for the "wrong direction" can be pretty low... every little bit can make them pretty upset. It is like some baby crying for maximum amount of awareness as it apparently got close to zero awareness left from "other groups".

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rojimboo: And hook line and sinker, they swallow it up. A foreign, war-like nation's propaganda, that is actively targeting them speaks to them. And no, this time it's not a conspiracy theory - this is documented and proven. It's tragic, really. The misinformation works in so many areas, but with gamer chuds - they don't even need to try, they're already halfway convinced. It's so easy.

What's the solution? A chronic lack of empathy is not solvable by medication. However, the ability to recognise misinformation can be learned. Apparently Finnish people were the best in detecting it (no flex), in some random study, but why? There's no anti-propaganda courses in school that I was aware of. Where did we learn this ability to detect and reject disinformation and misinformation? If we find the answer to that, maybe we can help these people.
More difficult to understand now, yet it basically is related to the propaganda-term and how certain groups of people are very "accepting" as long as it does fit the right narrative. Someone will simply tell them what they want to hear and if done so... it is accepted almost instantly, without any resistance or critical views. A comparable behavior can be seen on gamers which got a pretty straight narrative and a apparently "easy solution" to an issue which is actually pretty complicated and complex. I do not want to become political here (not even allowed) but even the Finish people sometimes are letting themself become dragged by "narratives" of foreign nations and may act accordingly.
Post edited October 22, 2024 by Xeshra