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zeogold: I agree with letting people have their opinions, but it's different when it starts reaching into death threats or racism, which it has before, multiple times. You'd have to concur at least LIGHT moderation would be appropriate.
Currently, we have NO moderation.
Death threats have so far, been meaningless on the internets. Called attacks on locations on the other hand, such as schools, should be immediately reported & anyone who's residing in the same country can easily do that with a phone call to the authorities. No moderation required.

Racism is a meaningless word, as far as I'm concerned & the fallback insult of anyone who has lost a discussion. When it comes to the point that a white man is automatically racist just for being alive, yet banning him from a possible job at something like the BBC based solely on the colour of his skin is NOT considered racist, then I think it's time to take that word behind the barn & end its misery forever. Sorry.

Not to mention moderating on "racist" queues is exactly the tip on one such moderating iceberg of problems looming into view. It's all downhill on a slippery slope from there. Again, sorry but I do not agree.
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zeogold: The issue isn't so much divisive ideas as it is the previous point I mentioned about death threats, racism, personal attacks, etc.
All of which will cease immediately with me as God-Emperor.
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Dalthnock: Racism is a meaningless word, as far as I'm concerned & the fallback insult of anyone who has lost a discussion.
As far as racism goes, I'm specifically talking about slurs here.
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zeogold: That's what I was thinking. Heck, you wouldn't even need to pay me for it, I'd do it for free as a volunteer position. I'm certainly on here enough for it.
Pretty sure tinyE has stated basically the same thing as well.
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Avogadro6: The problem with volounteer moderators is that you can't be sure that they're going to be as fair and unbiased as they should, they often have consirerable ego problems, and they tend to lose their shit quite easily when put under pressure.
People who risk their paycheck on the other hand... well, they still break sometimes, but considerably less often.
Hum hum, a paid mod isn't a guarantee of being unbiased and even more if he/she is working alone. If we wanna complain about some "undeserved treatment", will we have to go through him/her or will there be a possibility to report some mod abuse to other people from the staff?

And much importantly, when compared to other forums, GOG forumers are very spread worldwide with various sense of humor, customs and beliefs. The cultural clash which sometimes happens is what makes this place interesting and it would be sad if this place becomes too bland :(
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zeogold: The issue isn't so much divisive ideas as it is the previous point I mentioned about death threats, racism, personal attacks, etc.
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sunshinecorp: All of which will cease immediately with me as God-Emperor.
I'm not sure we could take the influx of grilled burgers, though.
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Dalthnock: Death threats have so far, been meaningless on the internets.
Meaningless, true, but usually not permitted on any forum with any reasonable amount of moderation.
Post edited June 14, 2016 by zeogold
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zeogold: I'm not sure we could take the influx of grilled burgers, though.
True. Too true. Well, GOG forum shall merge with worldwide chapters of BBQ Pit Boys barbecue & motorcycle club, so that takes care of that problem. Next.
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zeogold: A solution to solve the whole power issue could possibly be that the volunteer mod lacks the power of banning. He or she could have the authority to issue warnings or put temporary locks on posting and, if things get out of hand, alert the "higher-ups".
Due to the many alts, the moderator wouldn't be able to keep up only with warnings.
EDIT for clarity
The power to also ban temporarily is quite necessary.
Post edited June 14, 2016 by phaolo
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skimmie: While I agree with you that quality moderating is rare indeed, I find the behaviour of some 'members' of our forum so utterly abhorrent that in this case I think we'd be much better off with moderators than without...
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Dalthnock: Please don't take this the wrong way, but it's a lot better for you in the long run if you learn how to cope with abhorrent behaviour without relying on having them silenced.

If you really can't stand them, just ignore them. It's really not that hard.
Don't worry, I appreciate a good discussion :) I guess we have a fundamentally different opinion here though.

My point is that it's really not okay for any civilised public community to accept its members to be exposed to racism, sexist behaviour and the like, and tools should be in place to do something about that. Since giving these tools to its regular members is out of the question, I'm of the opinion that therefore the forum owners should uphold these basics of civilised interaction instead.

Oh, and on a personal, but related note - I can cope with this behaviour just fine (learned to a long time ago). I work in an environment where I have to deal with such behaviour on a weekly basis. When I'm at home, relaxing and enjoying my free time, I *could* ignore them, but I don't want to even have to :)
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zeogold: A solution to solve the whole power issue could possibly be that the volunteer mod lacks the power of banning. He or she could have the authority to issue warnings or put temporary locks on posting and, if things get out of hand, alert the "higher-ups".
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phaolo: Due to the many alts, the moderator wouldn't be able to keep up only with warnings.
The temporary bans seem a better solution.
Well, the warning is the proper prelude to a ban of any sort. Seems a little unfair to me to ban somebody without any indication or without allowing them to at least try to defend themselves first.
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phaolo: Due to the many alts, the moderator wouldn't be able to keep up only with warnings.
The temporary bans seem a better solution.
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zeogold: Well, the warning is the proper prelude to a ban of any sort. Seems a little unfair to me to ban somebody without any indication or without allowing them to at least try to defend themselves first.
I'd love to see some of those people try to defend themselves. :P
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skimmie: My point is that it's really not okay for any civilised public community to accept its members to be exposed to racism, sexist behaviour and the like, and tools should be in place to do something about that. Since giving these tools to its regular members is out of the question, I'm of the opinion that therefore the forum owners should uphold these basics of civilised interaction instead.
I agree here. If you need an example of what happens if no tools are in place for it, you only need look at 4chan. They have the reputation they do for a reason.
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zeogold: Well, the warning is the proper prelude to a ban of any sort. Seems a little unfair to me to ban somebody without any indication or without allowing them to at least try to defend themselves first.
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tinyE: I'd love to see some of those people try to defend themselves. :P
Maybe they'd be bad at it, but they at least deserve a chance. As I said, you can't just spring up a ban out of nowhere.
Post edited June 14, 2016 by zeogold
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zeogold: As far as racism goes, I'm specifically talking about slurs here.
Well, I'm of the opinion that nobody should give any importance to slurs.

This is one of the things that you have to *teach* people to be offended at.

More importantly, if no one pays any attention to a person outraged by a slur, that person will eventually stop caring about it.

Look, grown ups are just children with no parental supervision. The same rules apply. If you just casually dismiss most of their bullshit, they'll stop creating a fuss over every little thing.

Please call me cracker, or cracka or honkey all you want. If somebody tells me I'm blinding them with my whiteness, I don't get mad - I just tan harder!

Isn't it time to stop being so divisive?
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skimmie: My point is that it's really not okay for any civilised public community to accept its members to be exposed to racism, sexist behaviour and the like, and tools should be in place to do something about that. Since giving these tools to its regular members is out of the question, I'm of the opinion that therefore the forum owners should uphold these basics of civilised interaction instead.
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zeogold: I agree here. If you need an example of what happens if no tools are in place for it, you only need look at 4chan. They have the reputation they do for a reason.
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tinyE: I'd love to see some of those people try to defend themselves. :P
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zeogold: Maybe they'd be bad at it, but they at least deserve a chance. As I said, you can't just spring up a ban out of nowhere.
Somehow I don't like the idea of banning at all.
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zeogold: As far as racism goes, I'm specifically talking about slurs here.
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Dalthnock: Well, I'm of the opinion that nobody should give any importance to slurs.

This is one of the things that you have to *teach* people to be offended at.

More importantly, if no one pays any attention to a person outraged by a slur, that person will eventually stop caring about it.

Look, grown ups are just children with no parental supervision. The same rules apply. If you just casually dismiss most of their bullshit, they'll stop creating a fuss over every little thing.

Please call me cracker, or cracka or honkey all you want. If somebody tells me I'm blinding them with my whiteness, I don't get mad - I just tan harder!

Isn't it time to stop being so divisive?
Here's the thing:

Suppose that, for years, people have been calling you "fag" as an insult while bullying you. This experience is very likely to color your view of that particular term.

Now, imaging if people started calling you "fag" on the forums. Wouldn't that bother you in that case?

Another thing I should point out: A person's name is an important part of that person's identity. By calling that person a name that person does not wish to be called, you are disrespecting the person's identity, and are therefore disrespecting the person.

Just because you are okay with being called $SLUR doesn't mean that other people would be.

(The only way to be sure that something is OK is to explicitly ask the person you're referring to.)
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skimmie: My point is that it's really not okay for any civilised public community to accept its members to be exposed to racism, sexist behaviour and the like, and tools should be in place to do something about that.
What is racist/sexist to one person might not be racist/sexist to another.

If you'd like to take a shot at creating a comprehensive definition to use for determining whether a given post is racist/sexist/etc., I'll take a shot at trying to "break" the definition.

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skimmie: Since giving these tools to its regular members is out of the question, I'm of the opinion that therefore the forum owners should uphold these basics of civilised interaction instead.
The regular members do have a few tools to help deal with these things. The official ones only work on a post-by-post basis, but they can work.