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pds41: 16 bit applications are admittedly harder, but Windows tells you what they are. Either way, there's a third party layer for that, or you can VM/emulate a 32-bit Windows.
Actually i've seen a config/package for using Win 3.11 using DosBox which runs 16bit applications just fine. Although i wouldn't expect it to see anything outside the directory it resides...

Then you could emulate Win95 as well, i got that to work in Dosbox (though you have to tell setup to skip the disk check else it may fail becaues not Fat16 and not direct control over said ramdrive, etc). My only gripe on that is there's no accelerated anything (video-wise)
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timppu: At least you can still change the desktop wallpaper... maybe it will also become a locked feature that changes in each new Windows release, just so that those articles can write about a new wallpaper in a new Windows release.
Actually, in Windows 7 Starter, you *can't* change the desktop wallpaper.

(I had a laptop with that Windows flavor, and I dual-booted it with Linux, which did not have that limitation.)
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deesklo: while on Windows it's a compatibility nightmare with very few clues given about what's wrong this time.
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pds41: That's just... wrong. I don't dispute that you can get stuff working on wine really easily, but it's also incredibly easy to get things working on Windows. Even at it's worst, it's the same effort as doing it through wine, it's just different, which might be what's driving your comment.

Basically, 99.9% of Windows problems are fixed by one or more of:

- stripping out securom or other DRM which had support removed due to security concerns (needed for physical media only)
- using dgvoodoo2 or other wrapper to pass Glide or earlier versions of DirectX than 10 through to DX 10-12
- Using a Windows Compatibility mode (most of the time, XP SP3)

16 bit applications are admittedly harder, but Windows tells you what they are. Either way, there's a third party layer for that, or you can VM/emulate a 32-bit Windows.

I'd also say that most GoG games are pre-tweaked out of the box and just... work.
glad to hear that is that easy, hope i remember when i want to play an old game that doesn't run instantly
yep, the older games I've tried from gog just work

win won another round against linux
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: This is very disturbing news.

What happened to Windows 10 being "the last version of Windows" according to Microsoft?...
It still is.
Windows 11 is the current version, Windows 10 is the last version.
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timppu: At least you can still change the desktop wallpaper... maybe it will also become a locked feature that changes in each new Windows release, just so that those articles can write about a new wallpaper in a new Windows release.
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dtgreene: Actually, in Windows 7 Starter, you *can't* change the desktop wallpaper.

(I had a laptop with that Windows flavor, and I dual-booted it with Linux, which did not have that limitation.)
No one should be using “starter” or the lowest grade of windows at all. You can’t do anything with it. When I say windows I only mean pro/full.
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deesklo: while on Windows it's a compatibility nightmare with very few clues given about what's wrong this time.
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pds41: That's just... wrong. I don't dispute that you can get stuff working on wine really easily, but it's also incredibly easy to get things working on Windows. Even at it's worst, it's the same effort as doing it through wine, it's just different, which might be what's driving your comment.

Basically, 99.9% of Windows problems are fixed by one or more of:

- stripping out securom or other DRM which had support removed due to security concerns (needed for physical media only)
- using dgvoodoo2 or other wrapper to pass Glide or earlier versions of DirectX than 10 through to DX 10-12
- Using a Windows Compatibility mode (most of the time, XP SP3)

16 bit applications are admittedly harder, but Windows tells you what they are. Either way, there's a third party layer for that, or you can VM/emulate a 32-bit Windows.

I'd also say that most GoG games are pre-tweaked out of the box and just... work.
Yes. Unfortunately when windows 10 came out it had some major issues, inability to turn off updates, nag screens, telemetry and data capture of course, but also they removed support for the awful securom and safedisc, and for some reason disabled directplay, thus the cult of “windows is not compatable with anything” was born, and it’s still popularised to this day. It’s frankly nonsense, very little, if anything does not work. Perhaps some tweaking, patches, emulators, but nothing out of the ordinary.

So yes, Linux is fine, am sure it is great for those who have the time and will to put into learning it all, deciding on each of the bits, learning wine etc.
Me, until someone pays me for my time, I am happy just switching the box on and playing a game for the limited time I have. All works fine.
Post edited June 19, 2021 by nightcraw1er.488
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Fairfox: 4 more years? we'll all be old by then
Believe me, i'm sure if Microsoft, Apple and Google could get away with a yearly new version of the OS and get you to pay for it, they'd go for it...

Same for you getting newer consoles; The Xbox, Playstation, Nintendo, and other systems. If that were the case i'm sure Sega and Ouya would still be contenders...
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thefallenalchemist: Well, seems Microsoft wanted to do a major OS version update and now all the games are going to have to be updated from Win 10 to Win 11. There is also talk of losing 32 bit support with the system. I would not put this past Microsoft.

Guess we will have to start looking more into Virtual Machines.
32bit will not be going anywhere... 16 bit made sense 32 bit will never stop it will always be supported at the CPU level and can easily be emulated without issue.

As for updating to win 11 it wont matter until 2025, and the way the backend works windows 11 will be 10 with a new UX environment. Windows is now more like Linux then ever in that regard. The backend will basically stay the same but the frontend will change. Games only need runtimes which will still be supported, and all 64 runtime will support 32 code without issue once they switch to a singular installer.

Do not start spreading FUD until we have concrete information, there was a singularly leaked ISO with a badly optimized and heavily stripped down windows 11 shell on it which does not in anyway reflect the product we will see this fall.
Post edited June 19, 2021 by Starkrun