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SlackR84: The screenshot shows exactly what was said... There's no conspiracy.
What conspiracy?

I mention a few logical thoughts, suspicions maybe, but not accusations.

I like ZOOM Platform as much as the next person, but a few here including yourself, are being overly defensive when it comes to Devotion.

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SlackR84: Theres big complaints about wanting GOG and other companies to be more transparent. When one comes along, you then seem to want to use it against them (or what other people have twisted their words into).

Make up your minds.
I honestly don't know how you can get one out of the other.

And how exactly did I twist their words?

At the end of the day, they have just uttered words, truthful or not, well considered or not.

All I am saying, is that it is a taking a suspicious amount of time to do the deal ... which makes any reasonable person think. You don't like what I think, which isn't written in concrete, fair enough, but don't start putting words in my mouth or attributing fanciful notions to me as my claims.

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Linko64: Mainly due to your comments making no sense and contradicting each other. No one is pretending anything, you're literally pulling stuff out of the air then trying to act like a smart arse when asked about your claims mate :)
Mate, you are talking completely out of your arse, go back and read properly what I wrote ... with an unbiased mind this time ... lose the tunnel vision.

What friggin claims?
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Timboli: What friggin claims?
''It seems to me, that the ZOOM Platform grabbed a great promotional moment, and going by the interest in this thread and resulting new customers, I am sure it paid off.''


''One would have thought the window to capitalize on its release has now mainly passed ... unless they are trying to avoid China's attention.''


YO, THEY USING IT TO PROMOTE THEMSELVES!!


*whispers but maybe they are hiding from CHINA!*

You can't promote something or promote yourself based on something...while also trying to be under the radar about it.

It's like if you tried and promote yourself as rational but then also lashed out when questioned over contradicting statements!

Have a good Friday mate :)
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Canuck_Cat: Thank you for sharing. Will be interesting to see what could've happened with GOG and if the business risk was worth alienating a good portion of > 325 million Chinese PC gamers (and growing).
That post has a lot of fallacies in it.

Such as, contrary to what it asserts:

1. Not all Chinese gamers support the CCP. Many vehemently oppose it, in fact, and want it abolished.

2. Even those that do support the CCP probably still wouldn't want Devotion to be censored anyway.

3. "325 million Chinese gamers" has zero correlation whatsoever to the amount of Chinese gamers who buy from GOG...which is undoubtedly only a very tiny, infinitesimally small fraction of a percentage of that number.
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Time4Tea: If those Chinese gamers will feel alienated by a video game being released in other counties, then imo they absolutely deserve to be alienated (regardless of how many of them there might be).
Yes, I agree. There are games out there whose values I don't personally agree with and I don't mind being alienated by them. Not all games were targeted at my demographic and it'd be pretty entitled for me to expect them to.

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Ancient-Red-Dragon: snip
Yes, agreed. Exactly why I said "good portion". As with life, there are greys here. Conducting a random survey for support for this game in China would illegal, so we don't understand the distributions. In 2020, China represented 3% of GOG's sales (p.72). If this is revenue, then they contributed $2.8M USD to GOG's total revenue.

Because their market is growing (1.4% y/y) and there's a lot of money to be made ($13.9 billion USD annual), it doesn't make much sense to alienate a portion of that from a business standpoint. Unless you know for sure your business can grow and be sustained by non-Chinese demographics in the future, which is tough considering the saturation of multiple digital distribution platform players in the market right now.
Zoom promoting the Duke Nukem games they have

https://twitter.com/ZOOMPlatform/status/1400820447982280709
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Linko64: ''It seems to me, that the ZOOM Platform grabbed a great promotional moment, and going by the interest in this thread and resulting new customers, I am sure it paid off.''

''One would have thought the window to capitalize on its release has now mainly passed ... unless they are trying to avoid China's attention.''

YO, THEY USING IT TO PROMOTE THEMSELVES!!

*whispers but maybe they are hiding from CHINA!*

You can't promote something or promote yourself based on something...while also trying to be under the radar about it.

It's like if you tried and promote yourself as rational but then also lashed out when questioned over contradicting statements!
You really need to get a better grasp of the English language, and consider what exactly is said and what isn't.

I never said they did it deliberately to take advantage, it possibly just happened that way.
Those factors aren't mutually exclusive, as like I said, until they actually provide Devotion, it is just words ... and maybe, just maybe, they have had second thoughts after pondering more upon it ... etc.

Anything else you want me to spell out for you, that a little more deep thought without bias blinkers could determine?

And listen mate, I responded, not to be a smart arse, but because you denigrate GOG and praise ZOOM Platform over Devotion, without any credible evidence to present for either position. Just all based on guesses and emotion and no doubt some bias.

All I have done is point that out and point out possibilities, while claiming nothing concrete.

I'm not criticizing the ZOOM Platform, only those who are looking at the situation through filtered glasses.

P.S. I've now said my bit, and have no need to continue this silly argument. If you can't make sense of it yet, then that's your problem not mine. All the answers are already there in what I posted, though they may require some logical thinking to understand ... best of luck. ;)
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Can we just terminate this zoom platform thread? No one is interested in it unless your a rabid Devotion fan. Thank you.
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Niggles: Can we just terminate this zoom platform thread? No one is interested in it unless your a rabid Devotion fan. Thank you.
More competition is always good for consumers since theoretically, GOG or Zoom will be battling out over the scraps of gaming in the DRM-free game pool. Just look at all these free games all these platforms are offering every week.

If they think there's a market out there for DRM-free games for Gen Xers and if people want to boycott this platform because of the Devotion scandal, all the power to them. Consumers are more than welcome to vote with their wallet. Though I'm also weary of the constant jabs towards GOG in other threads as they're incredibly unwarranted and intrusive.
Post edited June 12, 2021 by Canuck_Cat
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Linko64: ''It seems to me, that the ZOOM Platform grabbed a great promotional moment, and going by the interest in this thread and resulting new customers, I am sure it paid off.''

''One would have thought the window to capitalize on its release has now mainly passed ... unless they are trying to avoid China's attention.''

YO, THEY USING IT TO PROMOTE THEMSELVES!!

*whispers but maybe they are hiding from CHINA!*

You can't promote something or promote yourself based on something...while also trying to be under the radar about it.

It's like if you tried and promote yourself as rational but then also lashed out when questioned over contradicting statements!
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Timboli: You really need to get a better grasp of the English language, and consider what exactly is said and what isn't.

I never said they did it deliberately to take advantage, it possibly just happened that way.
Those factors aren't mutually exclusive, as like I said, until they actually provide Devotion, it is just words ... and maybe, just maybe, they have had second thoughts after pondering more upon it ... etc.

Anything else you want me to spell out for you, that a little more deep thought without bias blinkers could determine?

And listen mate, I responded, not to be a smart arse, but because you denigrate GOG and praise ZOOM Platform over Devotion, without any credible evidence to present for either position. Just all based on guesses and emotion and no doubt some bias.

All I have done is point that out and point out possibilities, while claiming nothing concrete.

I'm not criticizing the ZOOM Platform, only those who are looking at the situation through filtered glasses.

P.S. I've now said my bit, and have no need to continue this silly argument. If you can't make sense of it yet, then that's your problem not mine. All the answers are already there in what I posted, though they may require some logical thinking to understand ... best of luck. ;)
You're about as logical as a chocolate fireguard.


The fact is, you contradicted yourself then proceeded to pad your thoughts out with words you googled while still not seeing how you contradicted yourself lol, it's okay to be wrong my dude, even if that's not as fun as crafting conspiracy theories <3
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Niggles: Can we just terminate this zoom platform thread? No one is interested in it unless your a rabid Devotion fan. Thank you.
More like the whole Devotion debacle overshadows what should be more important reasons to be interested in Zoom, ideally as a GOG competitor but more realistically as finally another place for a niche crowd interested in GOG's original values (both of them, DRM free and no regional pricing) and mainly looking for older games.
The new website looks much better now. Now lets hope more games come out more frequently and on a consistent basis.
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nightcraw1er.488: Yes, it looks good. The first game on there, Alekhine's Gun, it’s 1c, does it have any drm? I am very cautious when anything like that crops up (it’s from 2016). Glad to see they haven’t fallen into the clientwarez trap, fingers crossed.
Everything on Zoom is DRM-free... Though I'd sure feel a bit more at ease if they'd put that mark back on the front page.
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Time4Tea: FYI: Zoom Platform just unveiled some updates and improvements to their website. They have improved the front page and greatly improved the game search functionality. It's looking really good! You can search games by release date on the site.
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nightcraw1er.488: Yes, it looks good. The first game on there, Alekhine's Gun, it’s 1c, does it have any drm? I am very cautious when anything like that crops up (it’s from 2016). Glad to see they haven’t fallen into the clientwarez trap, fingers crossed.
Nope, there's no DRM in it or anything else!
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nightcraw1er.488: Yes, it looks good. The first game on there, Alekhine's Gun, it’s 1c, does it have any drm? I am very cautious when anything like that crops up (it’s from 2016). Glad to see they haven’t fallen into the clientwarez trap, fingers crossed.
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Linko64: Nope, there's no DRM in it or anything else!
Okay, cool. Might have to look more into that one then.
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Linko64: Nope, there's no DRM in it or anything else!
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nightcraw1er.488: Okay, cool. Might have to look more into that one then.
Here is the open critic page on the game

https://opencritic.com/game/1803/alekhines-gun