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Grargar: Add to all that a staggeringly crappy battery life (as opposed to the great battery life of previous consoles) and you have two consoles which proved to be disappointments, especially when compared to the previous generations.
Please, define disappointment. For me it has been quite the opposite. The 3DS has surpassed my expectations in every way. The 3DS has a much better library of games than the DS did within the same timeframe. And it doesn't have as much shovelware as the DS.
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Grargar: Sorry, but not anymore. Nintendo used to happily claim that the 3DS indeed outsold the DS, but that's no longer the case. Check the NPD numbers if you don't believe me. Also, comparing it to the Vita doesn't do it any favours. It's like comparing whichever of those two is a lesser disappointment. (It's the 3DS but you get my drift)
Okay, well, that is true. But consider the quote:

"This sales pace is slightly slower than that of Nintendo DS which penetrated the market at an explosive rate, but it is the second fastest-selling system to date, far exceeding the sales paces of all hardware systems before Nintendo DS. While Nintendo 3DS did not get off the ground so well, we managed to place it back on an ideal sales track."
That sounds like FAR from a disappointment.
On the other hand, yes, it has deaccelerated now but still has sold a boatload of units, and is far, far from a failed platform.
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Fever_Discordia: If the whole 'active gaming' thing turns out to have been a fad though, killed as much by the Kinect and that ridiculous PS3 wand thingy as much as anything else, what direction will Nintendo even go with their next full console, assuming they survive long enough to make one?
People have been speculating about Nintendo's "death" since the N64 days and it's still there. You do know that Nintendo has been turning a profit for years, right? Even with the Wii U's weak launch, they still managed to end their financial year with some profit (even though the weak yen certainly cotnributed to it).

It took Microsoft and Sony years till they could finally turn a profit on their games division.
Post edited June 03, 2013 by Neobr10
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Grargar: Add to all that a staggeringly crappy battery life (as opposed to the great battery life of previous consoles) and you have two consoles which proved to be disappointments, especially when compared to the previous generations.
Just wait until Pokemon X and Y are released later this year and then you can say how much of a "disappointment" the 3DS has been.
Post edited June 03, 2013 by OmegaX
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Grargar: Just to prove my point, the 3DS duration for DS games is at max 8 hours, whereas the DS Lite and DSi XL could reach double that amount.
That's not a fair comparison. The DS Lite and DSi XL were improved versions with better batteries. It's like saying that the PS3 Phat sucks because the PS2 Slim is much smaller. It just doesn't make sense.

Portables have always had improved versions over the years. Just look at the original GB, than the GBC, GBA, GBA SP, GBA Micro, DS, DS Lite, DSi, PSP, PSP Slim, PSP Go, and the list goes on. There will certainly be "improved" 3DS versions in the future.
Post edited June 03, 2013 by Neobr10
This thread just went "low rated". Started in mid March now it gets hit. Not only are there asshole in here, they are extremely procrastinating assholes. :P
Post edited June 03, 2013 by tinyE
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Fever_Discordia: If the whole 'active gaming' thing turns out to have been a fad though, killed as much by the Kinect and that ridiculous PS3 wand thingy as much as anything else, what direction will Nintendo even go with their next full console, assuming they survive long enough to make one?
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Neobr10: People have been speculating about Nintendo's "death" since the N64 days and it's still there. You do know that Nintendo has been turning a profit for years, right? Even with the Wii U's weak launch, they still managed to end their financial year with some profit (even though the weak yen certainly cotnributed to it).

It took Microsoft and Sony years till they could finally turn a profit on their games division.
Oh sure, Nintendo knows how to survive, they started off as an Hanafuda card company in 1889 after all
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo#As_a_card_company_.281889.E2.80.931956.29
But still, if the Wii U sales continue to disappoint then what? They've rightfully given up on going toe to toe with Sony and MS for the hard core gamers (I heard one of the reasons Ninetndo are always in the black is that they tend to sell their consoles much closer to cost rather than making a loss on each unit like everyone else) and active gaming is looking dead sooo... now what? They'll just have to stick their necks out and innovate again I guess, maybe bring the Virtual Boy back, seriously, I'm kind of curious what VR would be like now that technology has caught up, pity the human stomach hasn't though...
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Neobr10: That's not a fair comparison. The DS Lite and DSi XL were improved versions with better batteries. It's like saying that the PS3 Phat sucks because the PS2 Slim is much smaller. It just doesn't make sense.

Portables have always had improved versions over the years. Just look at the original GB, than the GBC, GBA, GBA SP, GBA Micro, DS, DS Lite, DSi, PSP, PSP Slim, PSP Go, and the list goes on. There will certainly be "improved" 3DS versions in the future.
The original DS had a 850 mAh battery which lasted about 6-10 hours. Not the best, but at least you could theoretically reach the double digits. The DS Lite had a 1000mAh and an improved backlit screen and lasted about 15-19 hours, which was a significant difference.

The 3DS has an 1300 mAh battery which lasts 3-5 hours, which is pathetic to say the least. As for 3DS XL, it has an 1750 mAh battery which lasts 3.5-6.5 hours, which is really not much of an improvement. If you want to see some real improvement, you must go with a battery like the Mugen pack, which is a whooping 5800 mAh and can improve the battery life to reach even 20 hours. Unfortunately, the Mugen pack is ridiculously expensive and costs just 100 bucks.

Unfortunately, for whatever reason, the 3DS is a digital vampire, sucking the life force out of those batteries before they know what hit them. Future improvements won't help much and since Nintendo is thinking that the duration currently is "fine", they won't bother.
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Luisfius: Okay, well, that is true. But consider the quote:

"This sales pace is slightly slower than that of Nintendo DS which penetrated the market at an explosive rate, but it is the second fastest-selling system to date, far exceeding the sales paces of all hardware systems before Nintendo DS. While Nintendo 3DS did not get off the ground so well, we managed to place it back on an ideal sales track."
That sounds like FAR from a disappointment.
On the other hand, yes, it has deaccelerated now but still has sold a boatload of units, and is far, far from a failed platform.
Like I said, Iwata has stated multiple times that the system's sales are very weak outside Japan. The quote is also wrong. The DS didn't perform too hot when it was first released. There were even talks of the PSP surpassing it. But come 2006, New Super Mario Bros along with the release of the DS Lite ensures that this never happens. From the summer of 2006 and later, the DS would become a massive phenomenon.

Keep in mind that Nintendo profited from every single DS sale. That cannot be said about the 3DS at all. Nintendo had to make huge price cuts to the device to start selling it and of course, took the financial wound of about half a billion dollars. (the first financial loss in 30 years) So yeah, I do consider it quite a disappointment.
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Darvond: I dunno. That just doesn't seem like an entirely fair price considering how many games that'd be.
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CymTyr: I was using that as a rough example, not a set-in-stone number. What I'd pay would be relevant to how many games I get. Keep in mind you can get a Nintendo Game Cube + Zelda collection for the GC for $20 if you know where to look ;)
Sure, but that's without the money going to the devs/company in question.

Now I think there could be select collections, seeing as 2 for twenty wouldn't be a good price.
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CymTyr: I was using that as a rough example, not a set-in-stone number. What I'd pay would be relevant to how many games I get. Keep in mind you can get a Nintendo Game Cube + Zelda collection for the GC for $20 if you know where to look ;)
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Darvond: Sure, but that's without the money going to the devs/company in question.

Now I think there could be select collections, seeing as 2 for twenty wouldn't be a good price.
ANY Nintendo games ported to the PC would be good. Nintendo is my lifelong friend and partner, so to speak. The woman who no matter what either of us does, is still there after all these years.

Nintendo was my first love. Just because I don't want to invest in their console doesn't mean I don't still love them ;)
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Darvond: Sure, but that's without the money going to the devs/company in question.

Now I think there could be select collections, seeing as 2 for twenty wouldn't be a good price.
4 for $20.
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Darvond: Sure, but that's without the money going to the devs/company in question.

Now I think there could be select collections, seeing as 2 for twenty wouldn't be a good price.
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SirPrimalform: 4 for $20.
Actually, I was thinking two collections: The Cartridge collection, and the disk collection.

Each for 60, considering the volume.
I have wanted Nintendo to become a software/peripherals only company for a long while.Reason being their games could continue to be made on other distribution formats.Their old school game database could continue,and they could focus on just the games and any peripherals they want to have.They could keep their console hardware to their portable only which still generates profits for them.

The only and main reason why Nintendo will not go software/peripheral only is because they want complete control over their software distribution which is understandable for a company that pretty much owned the console market for a large period of time. Despite that, I see them having to step down eventually, back when it was just Sega and Nintendo console wise it was enough room ,but with 3 different consoles + pc gaming I do not see enough space to go around.

I think them going software/peripheral only and keeping their handheld would be their best option to maximize their profits and possibly increase their customer base.They could sell their games just fine on Sony and/or Xbox as well as pc. Also with the power they have could continue to publish games under their name.
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GeneralChaosZ: but with 3 different consoles + pc gaming I do not see enough space to go around.
But you do see space for DRM-infested consoles such as Xbox One and the PS4? Even worse, there is no room for Nintendo, a company that makes consoles focused in GAMES, but there is room for the Xbox One, a console focused in TV TV TV TV, NFL NFL NFL NFL. I smell double standards right there.

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GeneralChaosZ: They could sell their games just fine on Sony and/or Xbox as well as pc. Also with the power they have could continue to publish games under their name.
Oh yes, they could sell games on the Xbox One, a great console with always-online DRM and second-hand block. That would be great.

Nah, i'd rather have a Nintendo console that respect my rights as a consumer and doesn't treat me like a fucking criminal than being held hostage by Microsoft. No, thanks.
Post edited June 03, 2013 by Neobr10