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It's DRM free unless you want to install, patch, use any of the inevitable several dozen dlc, buy anywhere other than Steam, use multiplayer, and are happy to copy folders out after every single patch/ dlc. Paradox insisting that it's DRM free (which their FAQ has rolled back on slightly, to be fair) is about as big an insult to one's intelligence as EA saying that SimCity's DRM is actually essential MMO features, and their whole rationalisation is full of utter rubbish and an even greater insult to intelligence.

1) They hate DRM and make DRM free games! While a lot of people think DRM = bad and Steam = good therefore good != bad so steam cannot be DRM, QED! it's a load of rubbish by any sensible definition and if it had to go through 'SecuROM' instead all the steam types would be outraged. They gate everything from the download itself to patches, MP and dlc through a closed, peripheral, verification system. And they've been using steam DRM on all their 3rd party titles for the past two years.

2) Paradox does not have a preferred digital distributor! Except the one whose storefront they bundle with their products, of course.

3) Patching is hard! They have to make lots of patches! This is complete, provable fabrication. The same people making that case (eg Johan) have themselves repeatedly stated, and it's easily verifiable independently, that all windows installs of Paradox games are identical wherever bought. There are no additional patches needed, one patch works for all versions. See also 6.

4) Looking forward to going onto GOG, per Fred Wester's twitter, near 18 months ago now. Yet somehow despite being on every DD site so much that the local kids were offering Paradox game downloads at their lemonade stand they never quite make it here. Baffling, for such champions of DRM free and who don't have a preferred digital store, you'd think they'd be a natural fit far more so than EA, Activision and others already here.

5) Transparent spam incentive 'loyalty programs'. Yeah, unsolicited referrer links and the like annoy me as much as anything utterly peripheral to my life can.

6) DRM free doesn't sell enough to be viable! But we'll make Linux versions! And Mac! Don't worry though, while the non existent different patches for the single windows version is hard and costs lots of money making and supporting a version for Linux and Mac, completely different OS requiring different and unique testing, is easy and viable!

7) Everyone complaining will just buy it anyway in the end! You're our digital crackwhores!
FOADIAF, would you kindly? My annoyance at that attitude makes my dislike of spam incentives pale into insignificance.

Going back and reading Johan et al rail against steam back when they delayed Divine Wind for six weeks or didn't publish patches multiple times or refused certain games access and saying that Connect (nuked after steam changed their service contracts, per the Origin/ EA controversy; the dlc system is actually the one used in the Gamersgate version of CK2 which occasionally refers to ducats, Paradox's virtual currency, not blue coins) would be their steam alternative essential to all of Paradox's games is pretty hilarious given their current pro steam stance.
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Phasmid: It's DRM free unless you want to install, patch, use any of the inevitable several dozen dlc, buy anywhere other than Steam, use multiplayer, and are happy to copy folders out after every single patch/ dlc. Paradox insisting that it's DRM free (which their FAQ has rolled back on slightly, to be fair) is about as big an insult to one's intelligence as EA saying that SimCity's DRM is actually essential MMO features, and their whole rationalisation is full of utter rubbish and an even greater insult to intelligence.

1) They hate DRM and make DRM free games! While a lot of people think DRM = bad and Steam = good therefore good != bad so steam cannot be DRM, QED! it's a load of rubbish by any sensible definition and if it had to go through 'SecuROM' instead all the steam types would be outraged. They gate everything from the download itself to patches, MP and dlc through a closed, peripheral, verification system. And they've been using steam DRM on all their 3rd party titles for the past two years.

2) Paradox does not have a preferred digital distributor! Except the one whose storefront they bundle with their products, of course.

3) Patching is hard! They have to make lots of patches! This is complete, provable fabrication. The same people making that case (eg Johan) have themselves repeatedly stated, and it's easily verifiable independently, that all windows installs of Paradox games are identical wherever bought. There are no additional patches needed, one patch works for all versions. See also 6.

4) Looking forward to going onto GOG, per Fred Wester's twitter, near 18 months ago now. Yet somehow despite being on every DD site so much that the local kids were offering Paradox game downloads at their lemonade stand they never quite make it here. Baffling, for such champions of DRM free and who don't have a preferred digital store, you'd think they'd be a natural fit far more so than EA, Activision and others already here.

5) Transparent spam incentive 'loyalty programs'. Yeah, unsolicited referrer links and the like annoy me as much as anything utterly peripheral to my life can.

6) DRM free doesn't sell enough to be viable! But we'll make Linux versions! And Mac! Don't worry though, while the non existent different patches for the single windows version is hard and costs lots of money making and supporting a version for Linux and Mac, completely different OS requiring different and unique testing, is easy and viable!

7) Everyone complaining will just buy it anyway in the end! You're our digital crackwhores!
FOADIAF, would you kindly? My annoyance at that attitude makes my dislike of spam incentives pale into insignificance.

Going back and reading Johan et al rail against steam back when they delayed Divine Wind for six weeks or didn't publish patches multiple times or refused certain games access and saying that Connect (nuked after steam changed their service contracts, per the Origin/ EA controversy; the dlc system is actually the one used in the Gamersgate version of CK2 which occasionally refers to ducats, Paradox's virtual currency, not blue coins) would be their steam alternative essential to all of Paradox's games is pretty hilarious given their current pro steam stance.
If you had actually bothered to research why they went the Steam-only route instead of providing a DRM free option as they did with their previous games, you might have actually spared yourself the indignation, and used your time more constructively than by posting a rant here.

To put it bluntly, they said sales of the DRM-free version of CK 2 were tiny, which made having to develop a different patch and support for that particular version a financial loss. And yes, the Steam version actually has a patch with a slightly different architecture, as always. It would be worth doing if more gamers were actually interested in having a DRM free version rather than a Steam one, but they obviously aren't, not matter how you or I might feel about it.

They simply figured that since everyone was going to buy the Steam version anyway, they might as well spare themselves the trouble of having another one. Frankly, despite not liking Steam much, I can't really blame them.
If gamers really want DRM-free games, then they need to put their money where their mouth is, instead of rushing out to buy it where it's cheapest (i.e. Steam or Amazon, which sells Steam keys).
For people who want to support Paradox as much as possible use: http://www.paradoxplaza.com/shop
It's their own webshop. Though it's still a steam key, like everywhere else, more of the fund go towards Paradox and less towards DD sites.
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mystral: AFAIK, the only reason they went with Steam-only this time is that the DRM-free option they offered on Gamersgate for CK 2 only got a tiny amount of sales compared to the Steam version (I think they gave 6% as a figure), and yet needed a wholly different patch. In their opinion, it just wasn't worth the bother.

So I'm not sure GOG could change their mind on that.
Their reasoning is funny, considering that it's not even DRM-free on Gamersgate.
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mystral: AFAIK, the only reason they went with Steam-only this time is that the DRM-free option they offered on Gamersgate for CK 2 only got a tiny amount of sales compared to the Steam version (I think they gave 6% as a figure), and yet needed a wholly different patch. In their opinion, it just wasn't worth the bother.

So I'm not sure GOG could change their mind on that.
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Immoli: Their reasoning is funny, considering that it's not even DRM-free on Gamersgate.
DLC activations! *shakes fist* That offline "third party" activator is a miracle.
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mystral: AFAIK, the only reason they went with Steam-only this time is that the DRM-free option they offered on Gamersgate for CK 2 only got a tiny amount of sales compared to the Steam version (I think they gave 6% as a figure), and yet needed a wholly different patch. In their opinion, it just wasn't worth the bother.

So I'm not sure GOG could change their mind on that.
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Immoli: Their reasoning is funny, considering that it's not even DRM-free on Gamersgate.
What. Yes, it is.
You do need one-time activations for any DLC, but the base game is DRM-free, and DLC is completely optional.
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Immoli: Their reasoning is funny, considering that it's not even DRM-free on Gamersgate.
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mystral: What. Yes, it is.
You do need one-time activations for any DLC, but the base game is DRM-free, and DLC is completely optional.
Just like the Steam version then. It has a different mechanism of activations, but after that there's no need for Steam. Base game is DRM free as well.
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grviper: Preordering a Paradox game is paying extra for the privilege of beta-testing.
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cw8: Hearts of Iron 3, yeah. CK2 not so much.
CK2 has just recently recovered from a random crash bug introduced in a previous patch. There were other hilarious and game-breaking glitches in different builds, too. Instead of massive launch issues CK2 has these bouts of madness occurring with every DLC release/major update.
Post edited June 08, 2013 by grviper
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mystral: What. Yes, it is.
You do need one-time activations for any DLC, but the base game is DRM-free, and DLC is completely optional.
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grviper: Just like the Steam version then. It has a different mechanism of activations, but after that there's no need for Steam. Base game is DRM free as well.
I guess so, but people here seem to automatically think that Steam = evil, and that no game is DRM free on it. Besides, on Steam you typically need to be connected whenever you install games, so I guess that's DRM, if very light one.
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Titanium: Also applies if you buy it a few months after release.
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mystral: Well, that's not quite true anymore. Their last 3 games were mostly stable on release, and the first 1 or 2 patches took care of any problems.
Yep, no more fun. Conquer the world if own only 2 cavalry division - no. You cant make puppet USA -no. You cant trade - no. Where is trill?
Post edited June 08, 2013 by Shadow0603
This is the first Paradox strategy game I will NOT be buying (I own all the others). Only playable on Steam apparently, so a No Buy for me.
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Crassmaster: Yes, I believe that has been mentioned as working on the Paradox forums.
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Gersen: Didn't they actually say the exact opposite, that the game will be tightly integrated with steamworks features and therefore won't be able to work without Steam.
Yep.
Post edited June 08, 2013 by Bloodygoodgames
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Titanium: Also applies if you buy it a few months after release.
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mystral: Well, that's not quite true anymore. Their last 3 games were mostly stable on release, and the first 1 or 2 patches took care of any problems.
I heard March of the eagles was pretty much unplayable on launch?

Although it wasn't developped by their main studio.
Post edited June 08, 2013 by keeveek
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Immoli: Their reasoning is funny, considering that it's not even DRM-free on Gamersgate.
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mystral: What. Yes, it is.
You do need one-time activations for any DLC, but the base game is DRM-free, and DLC is completely optional.
All games on Gamersgate require internet authentication on install, including the games labeled as DRM-free.
For them, DRM-free just means no third-party DRM.


Also, I didn't know about the DLC requiring that along with one-time authentication through something else (the game I'm guessing?).
It's labeled as DRM-free on the site, which is pretty funny.

Even if we act like the base game is DRM-free, I could still see a lot of people passing on buying the game if they aren't able to get any DLC that they want. I know I wouldn't buy some game on GOG DRM-free if all the DLC was Steam only or something.
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Immoli: All games on Gamersgate require internet authentication on install, including the games labeled as DRM-free.
For them, DRM-free just means no third-party DRM.
No, they actually don't in the case of those labelled DRM-free, provided you copy the files right at the time the game is installing. There's a whole thread giving details about this on the forums (search for Gamersgate and DRM, you'll find it). And before you claim that's unintended and illegal or something, GG reps have made it informally clear that they know about that trick and have no problem with it, as long as they can pretend not to know.

The base game IS DRM-free on GG. You just have to put some effort into it instead of having it served on a silver platter like on GOG.

As for the DLC, it's been a long time since I installed one so I may be remembering wrong about the activation, but none of it is necessary to enjoy the game anyway.
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mystral: The base game IS DRM-free on GG. You just have to put some effort into it instead of having it served on a silver platter like on GOG.
Every game is DRM free than, you just need to copy a crack on them.

No, GG is simply LYING their games are DRM Free. Just because you can make them DRM Free doesn't mean they are not lying bastards.
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mystral: Well, that's not quite true anymore. Their last 3 games were mostly stable on release, and the first 1 or 2 patches took care of any problems.
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keeveek: I heard March of the eagles was pretty much unplayable on launch?

Although it wasn't developped by their main studio.
Yeah, March of the Eagles isn't actually a Paradox game, you might as well blame them for the bugs in Sword of the Stars 2. As publishers they seem to have a very light hand, so any bugs in the games they publish is the devs' fault.