What exactly am I being accused of?
I will tell you what I understood from each one.

Vitek - Voted me since the whole "suggesting mafia move" post.
Quadralien - For defending Nmillar (I think).
Damnation - For defending Nmillar (I think).
Robbeasy - For outlining possible Mafia strategies, so I can wiggle out when it doesn't happen (I think this is the main reason).
Jefequeso - For being active (in the center of just about every single debate thus far ... Post #359)
Orryyrro - Voted me after "suggesting mafia move" post. But since then he unvoted and revoted for a reasons I am not aware of. (feeling very suspicious right now ... Post 368)
Rodzaju - Really have no idea why. Voted seemingly for no reason.

That puts me at 7 votes. I do realize there are probably 2-3 players who twist my logic and misinterpret my intentions on purpose. However, it also means there are 4-5 who genuinely think I am mafia.

I have explained the "suggesting mafia move" post as best as I could at post #366. I really have nothing to add in this issue unless someone has a specific question.

As for defending Nmillar - I still think the case against him was weak, and I didn't want to lynch based on this.

As for the other votes, I can't really answer as I do not understand why they are placed on me.

I only ask that if I am put at L-1 and someone wants to vote me out, then please give me time for one last full read on every player before they put the final nail.

During the whole kerfuffle about my information, you were one of the most insistent that I keep talking.

In post 158, you ask in a not very subtle way whether I know anything about you (& Nmillar & Grynn).

I wonder if, had I answered that question, you would have pressed harder for me to "take my knowledge to my grave"....

Got to disagree with you here Robert! Every time I get a reply warning when I log in I get such a jolt of terror! nmillar scares the knickers out of me!

Now is it possible that Mount Sharim had never considered the possibility of mafia members painting unknown players with their brush? He's played games before. I'm sure it's been mentioned in this game already - I think Rodzaju accused me of it much much earlier on.
Just to clarify (I don't see that I could be misinterpreting but it's always possible) I'm reading the quoted text as "If my mafia partner is Baz why am I defending millar?"
This also implies that the mafia is a two person team - which implies KNOWLEDGE that the mafia is a two person team.

Well I originally quoted that thinking it questioned his mafiocity, (along the lines of "it seems he never even considered the possibility of brush-painting (is there an existing term for that tactic? Do you even know what I'm talking about if I swam up and down making up jargon?)) but actually analysing just that one sentence convinces me of his guilt.

(which in itself is worrying. Perhaps if I analysed any sentence enough I would be convinced of the writer's guilt.)

OF COURSE before we lynch I'd like to hear from EVERYONE. OF COURSE OF COURSE.

And although Itai is the topic of the hour, there's no need to ignore the peripheries. -ah wait meh I can't be bothered- I was going to go scouting for some more evidence against people but it can wait a while. My instinctive suspicions are Vitek and Orryyrro in case it interests you, but I don't really have anything to say about them. I'm basically just pursuing RVS aren't I? Is that a bad tactic? Yes. Too late to change it now though! Of course it isn't. Oh well.

I'm sure I had something else to say. Something's niggling in my brain.

OH YEAH - Rob you're new picture looks like the worst thing I ever seen. ;o|

(I typed "BOOM post it" then pressed the "post my message" button. Then Suddenly panicked thinking it might be interpretted as some sort of breadcrumbing or some sort of mafia command. Fortunately I had neglected the backslash in my quote code so I got an incorrect format thing and had a chance to edit myself. WAHAHAHAHAHA)

This was not my intention. I was more thinking on the line of:
If my mafia partner is Baz, why would I draw all this attention from Damnation?
Considering baz had no votes and I had one or two (Don't remember the exact number)

@Rodzaju - No. I was stating you had nothing about me (& Nmillar & Grynn) because those are the only players you ever voted against.

And followed it up with:
"Maybe Rodzaju can save us from mislynching."
Which I interpret as saying "You really don't have anything on us, DO YOU?"

I'm unsure whether you are hoping I do (thus potentially clearing you) or are afraid that I might (thus I am able to out you too.....).

Yes, I believe you can save us from mislynching power roles.
Yes, I believe you have nothing about me (& Nmillar & Grynn) because those are the only players you ever voted against.
Why are you interpreting it like a query? I am merely stating my read.

B.T.W - The fact Rodzaju voted against Nmillar is, in my opinion, a much stronger case than post #39.

The I am going to try and do a daily votecount, So I dont have to go through 200 posts:

6 - Itai.Sharim - Vitek,Quadralien,Damnation,Jefequeso,Rodzaju,Orryyrro
2 - Rodzaju - nmillar, Bazilisek,
2 - Vitek - Joesapphire,Cruward_darkeyes
2 - Damnation - Grynn, Itai.Sharim
1 - Grynn - Twilightbard,
1 - Joesapphire - Sirprimalform,

Not Voting: Robbeasy

Itai.Sharim is Closest to lynch at L-2

Tentative Deadline is in 10 Days, But there is a lot of discussion so it isn't set in stone

Sirprimal has 24hrs before he gets prodded :)

I unvoted due to the chance that Damnation's return would bring more information to light that would change my opinion, after that I asked for a votecount and noted that you're preemptive voting of Damnation, even after all he'd done is make accusations against you. Forming arguments against someone isn't a scumtell, even if that person is forming them against town. The town don't know who else is town so all they have to go on is what you post, if your posts make you look scummy enough to formulate a cohesive argument against you then that isn't a good sign.

I asked for a votecount because I didn't want to make it possible for the mafia to quicklynch you, as I knew you were getting rather high in votes. I then voted after I saw you were at L-3 and not L-2 or L-1.

Right, so I'm finally up to speed now.

You know what's really weird? That nmillar case Damnation was so eager to push (you have to hand it to Damn, though, he really knows how to take the stage by storm).

Look, I'll go meta now. Nmillar is a veteran on these forums, and a lot of us have played with him before. So we all know that he has this habit of jumping at conclusions at an alarming rate. That post of his? That's pure 100% nmillar, through and through. Taking a small thing and BAM! forming a conclusion. (Just to be sure: I'm not making fun of him; he's repeatedly shown he's willing to let go of these conclusions just as quickly. It's just what he does, and he's actually fairly successful with it.) And Damnation really ought to know that, which is what makes his insistence on this being a case against nmillar so puzzling. Also, calling it a "slip"? Nonsensical. You'd have to be an idiot to post something like this accidentally. I'm not ruling out the possibility that nmillar is scum, and did it deliberately, but honestly, a "slip"?

Another thing I don't quite like about Damn's wild accusations was that while he did call Rod's play "bad moves", or something like that, all his subsequent comments on it paint the picture in such a way that Rod is basically a victim of nmillar and me forcing him to cough up the information. Honestly, I have no idea how did he get to that. All I see in my posts at the time is "what the fuck are you doing here, Rod?" (I'm paraphrasing here). Not "this is interesting, now go on or I'll kill you, Rod!"

Also, Joe? You're in hyper mode again. Dial it down a bit, please.

This sounds like backtracking to me a lot.

I am bit concerned with speed itai.sharim accumulated votes against him. Could be mafia jumping on wagon.


FoS stands for Finger of Suspicion. It means you did something I don't like but not enough to vote you (or I have more important target). It is usually bolded although it holds no value in actual voting. I forgot to bold it and decided I'll leave it alone.

Itai. I think you should claim. You already was at L-1 so it's not like you were only slightly pushed into L-2.

Sorry for not posting today, I watched a lot of South Park, then we had unexpected visit and now I am watching football.

First of all, I am only pushing my case against nmillar because people keep pushing me about it. Which is fine, but pushing me for pushing back? Well, sure, why not :D

Anyhow, it's 100% nmillar, yes, and let's metadance about this, baz. You say that I should have learnt nmillar's playstyle by now, I have, and I always see him as scummy because of his random statements when they have absolutely no argumentation, or no clear one anyhow. If you have the gall to question whether I know nmillar's playstyle, do you not think it behooves you to know mine? I've been around a while too, you know, my playstyle doesn't deviate much from game to game (And it only deviates when happenings in the game require it to)

And you know what's funny? You saying I make wild accusations - all my accusations have been argumented and backed up. Plus, I have only accused three people - itai, nmillar and Joe, and I am still accusing all three.

And the point about me painting Rod a victim - you're right, I am, and it's a very bad decision if he's mafia, I know. But I do nonetheless for I see him as a victim in that situation - you DID push him, and I can perfectly understand why you cannot see that. You were on the other end of the conversation, you thought you were screaming "what the fuck are you doing here, Rod?" as you say so yourself though it was evident Rod did not see it the same way, he thought you were pushing him for information, and thus, your methods did result in you pushing him. He even mentioned himself he only outed your role name as his own way of saying "This isn't help!" - had you NOT inquired so much about his information, or outright said "Stop, this isn't helping!" I strongly doubt it would have ended up the way it did.

The fact that he hasn't been quick-lynched speaks volumes really. There are several people who have posted who could have jumped on that. Though, the mafia may be avoiding jumping on it to avoid suspicion.

What do you mean "backtracking to you"?

I have said I suspect 2-3 players are twisting my logic on purpose.

I don't see any benefit to that.

I agree. However, I do think at least 2 mafia members are on this wagon.

While your point is valid, I would have waited until everyone NOT currently on his wagon had posted.
Now, of course any mafia that had not yet popped in will make a point of staying off the wagon to stay hidden.

You really do need to claim. At this stage, you need to give people a reason to keep you alive.