Posted December 21, 2014
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hmcpretender
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Bad Hair Day
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Posted December 21, 2014
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Siannah
what?
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From Switzerland
Posted December 21, 2014
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Digital distribution started with the Internet become more widespread and bandwidth affordable. Valve simple realised that opportunity first. The only thing I agree with, is that Valve started with the client-based DRM and made it popular - which however has nothing to do with retail sales or the problem that started this thread.
It's pretty easy to see why some gamers want to pay the russian price for their newest games. Not really hard to see the abuse here and why that change did come. But abusing the system then cry "abuse" when that hole get's stuffed - I'd call self-righteous greedy gamer.
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StingingVelvet
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Posted December 21, 2014
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Now, granted, it is partially their fault for letting companies perform such practices and continuing to buy from them regardless, but consumers did not demand this shift.
And you can't blame ignorance. Consumers crave convenience, and Steam is much more convenient for most people compared to discs and boxes and manual patching and whatever else. Also most people don't care about DRM because they don't play old games or think the community will fix it if it ever needs fixing, so they don't factor that into their decision.
So, yes, consumers did it.
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Atlantico
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Posted December 21, 2014
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Origin is great. What a wonderful joke. Made my year. Four of them, actually.
Out of context: Origin is not great, far from it. It's a DLC/DRM shop run by EA.
In context: Origin is great compared to fucking Steam.
Context: never post on the internet without it. :)
Post edited December 21, 2014 by Atlantico
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StingingVelvet
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Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted December 21, 2014
I have to agree, Origin and Steam are pretty much identical but Origin runs quicker now and has that excellent 24 hour guarantee option.
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ignisferroque
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Registered: Feb 2014
From Germany
Posted December 21, 2014
Of course it isn't an ideal solution, but its either same prices everywhere, essentially making games in many regions too expensive to buy or regional pricing with restrictions. Its not a great development but i can understand why they do it and the way it is now is probably not as bad as the alternative. At least people everywhere pay about the same price (as in percentage of average income), well ideally at least. Its not an unfair solution in my opinion.
I guess no one would bother if there was the occasional game gifted, but with all those trading sites around it was probably just a matter of time.
I guess no one would bother if there was the occasional game gifted, but with all those trading sites around it was probably just a matter of time.
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Posted December 21, 2014
FINALLY! This stupid thread has delved into a topic that someone of my intellect and sophistication can appreciate, chicks and beer! :D
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Siannah
what?
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MarioFanaticXV
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From United States
Posted December 21, 2014
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Now, granted, it is partially their fault for letting companies perform such practices and continuing to buy from them regardless, but consumers did not demand this shift.
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And you can't blame ignorance. Consumers crave convenience, and Steam is much more convenient for most people compared to discs and boxes and manual patching and whatever else. Also most people don't care about DRM because they don't play old games or think the community will fix it if it ever needs fixing, so they don't factor that into their decision.
So, yes, consumers did it.
Also, manual patches are a good thing. There are many times where a patch will break a game, and thus you would want to revert to an earlier patch (trust me, I'm having a lot of troubles with reverting Command & Conquer 3 to an earlier patch right now).
And are you seriously implying that physical discs are a down side?
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StingingVelvet
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Posted December 21, 2014
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Also, manual patches are a good thing. There are many times where a patch will break a game, and thus you would want to revert to an earlier patch (trust me, I'm having a lot of troubles with reverting Command & Conquer 3 to an earlier patch right now).
And are you seriously implying that physical discs are a down side?
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darthspudius
Steam is Power!
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From United Kingdom
Posted December 21, 2014
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And you can't blame ignorance. Consumers crave convenience, and Steam is much more convenient for most people compared to discs and boxes and manual patching and whatever else. Also most people don't care about DRM because they don't play old games or think the community will fix it if it ever needs fixing, so they don't factor that into their decision.
So, yes, consumers did it.
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Also, manual patches are a good thing. There are many times where a patch will break a game, and thus you would want to revert to an earlier patch (trust me, I'm having a lot of troubles with reverting Command & Conquer 3 to an earlier patch right now).
And are you seriously implying that physical discs are a down side?
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Siannah
what?
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Posted December 22, 2014
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Region lock - please check about the grey market and how it is handled in non-gaming businesses. Exactly the same way. Capitalism.
Sure. Still a large part of customers decided that they prefer Steam over retail and manual patches. That's free market.
a) the bigger the collection of games you own, the bigger the space they use in your room. Some like that, some prefer to use this space otherwise.
b) a physical disc can get scratched or break. Still have C64, Amiga or PC games on floppys lying around? Expect a large part of them being unreadable.
.... now where do I find a floppy drive for my PC nowadays, so that I can install Darklands again? .... scrap that, I'll use my digital distribution copy - problem solved.
Again, some may prefer them, some don't. But don't claim that there is no downside to a purely physical collection.
And again, the customer decides in the end. Not Steam, GOG, Microsoft, Apple or any other company. Just. the. customer.