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Posted December 16, 2012
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Neobr10: In my opinion the difference is big enough to justify sacrificing response times. And the response times don't make that much of a difference, honestly. I went from a TN LCD monitor to a IPS LCD monitor and the difference in image quality was huge, but i couldn't even notice the difference in response times, and i play many FPS games online (which is probably the genre that would benefit the most from reduced response times).

IPS panels have a much better color fidelity and viewing angle. TN panels are a joke when it comes to color fidelity.
LOL, yeah, no kidding. It's either 1.6% of sRGB with TN or 100% of sRGB with IPS.

Even as a gamer, the idea of a monitor only displaying 1.6% of a game's colours does not sit well with me. My old CRT is capable of the 16.7million colours, I expect the same for any LCD I buy, and that means no TN panel.

The monitor I use is Dell 2209wa, which is an e-IPS with 6ms response time. It was only around $300 and it works great for games. I'm sure the updated model is even better.
Post edited December 16, 2012 by doady
Posted December 16, 2012
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Nirth: I second that monitor, I've it myself. Very good.

BTW, here's a good site for professional reviews on monitors: DigitalVersus
Thanks for the review site and yea that monitor is received a lot of good reviews.

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doady:
Where did you buy it? futureshop doesn't sell dell products and I have a few hundred dollar on their gift card.
Posted December 16, 2012
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livefree: Not a graphic designer for sure and mostly a gamer, but what about for watching movie? and by TN panel that includes LED with backlightning right? No chance to afford both for sure :(.
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Vestin: You know... Just go to an electronics store and take a look at both types of monitors, see whether the difference really does it for you. If you can live with either - just go for a TN one, which will likely be both faster and cheaper (and may run at 120Hz, which is something no IPS panel can currently do). If it's a deal-breaker - just buy the IPS panel and enjoy all the pretty colors.
Indeed and as great as IPS is, it's not the only choice, Samsung monitors use something else, too lazy to research, and it's quite nice in terms of both viewing angle and color.

But, yes, definitely go look at monitors if possible, because that's really the only way to know whether it's worth it or not.
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livefree: Very interesting product, is this still lcd with backlightning from diodes or is OLEDs mentioned by Vestin? are TN and IPS mutually exclusive? The 8ms is a little slow was looking for 5ms, but seems like ips with 5ms are REALLY expansive. Is this monitor easy to setup?

On side note I thought LG/Samsung were the leaders for monitors, didn't know about Dell monitors at all. Are the Ultrasharp series a new series, are they proven to last a long time? One major factor is the durability I really hate to have to go through the selecting process again within 3 years. In general are IPS easier to break/dead pixel than reg LEDs?
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nijuu: Dell's especially the bigger sizes are mostly good, same with Samsung LCD's (think they dropped the ball with LED ones though - everyone used to want a Samsung LCD)
That's unfortunate. I love the Samsung LCDs I own, fortunately they'll last me for years to come. I love them because they're pretty good for both gaming and graphics design.
Post edited December 16, 2012 by hedwards
Posted December 16, 2012
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hedwards: Indeed and as great as IPS is, it's not the only choice, Samsung monitors use something else, too lazy to research, and it's quite nice in terms of both viewing angle and color.
You're probably thinking of either MVA or PVA. They usually sports great contrast and colour reprodruction but slow responsiveness so not ideal for gaming
Posted December 16, 2012
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hedwards: Indeed and as great as IPS is, it's not the only choice, Samsung monitors use something else, too lazy to research, and it's quite nice in terms of both viewing angle and color.
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Nirth: You're probably thinking of either MVA or PVA. They usually sports great contrast and colour reprodruction but slow responsiveness so not ideal for gaming
Samsung uses something else. There's a few other technologies like AMOLED and S-LCD out there, but I'm not in the market for a new monitor so I'm not paying attention to what's actually available right now in monitors. I think these days Samsung does S-PLS for their displays.

Well, I think so, but I'm not sure what monitors they still do, I think they sold their LCD business a while back to focus on thinner displays.
Posted December 17, 2012
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livefree: Very interesting product, is this still lcd with backlightning from diodes or is OLEDs mentioned by Vestin? are TN and IPS mutually exclusive? The 8ms is a little slow was looking for 5ms, but seems like ips with 5ms are REALLY expansive. Is this monitor easy to setup?

On side note I thought LG/Samsung were the leaders for monitors, didn't know about Dell monitors at all. Are the Ultrasharp series a new series, are they proven to last a long time? One major factor is the durability I really hate to have to go through the selecting process again within 3 years. In general are IPS easier to break/dead pixel than reg LEDs?
Read the reviews - most of your questions are answered with much more authority than I could muster.

Dell monitors come with a 3 year warranty - but there is a question mark over them honouring the warranties if you dont get them direct from Dell (at a much higher price). But the fact they offer the 3 year warranty speaks for itself.

The monitor was pretty much plug and play. The brightness was defaulted way too high. I did try to spend some time setting it up using the instructions at this site: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/ but, to be honest, it didnt seem to need it - all the test patterns were pretty much spot on to start with.
Posted December 17, 2012
Only thing I want to add is, if you go for a cheap TN, make sure it can at least be tilted. I have one that's at a fixed 90 degrees to my desk which means that I'm not viewing it head on, so the colours are wrong. That's a problem with TN and it's noticeable. It's still perfectly usable, but if I knew that in advance I'd probably have made a different choice.
Posted December 17, 2012
Well I've been a gamer for a long time and I'm very happy with my 24" e-IPS screen (Dell) compared to my old 22" TN one from a different brand. Both are LED backlighted, but the viewing angles on the TN panel were just uncomfortable compared to e-IPS. It's not only the fact that you should sit directly in front of it, even when seated perfectly there often still is a problem with the lower/upper half of the screen being in a different color than the middle which can get pretty annoying. I also got a notebook with a TN panel and it's viewing angles are even worse. Still, most affordable notebooks are running TN panels so there hasn't been much choice for me as I needed one.

The response times might be a bit worse but I also play a lot of multiplayer FPS games (this is where high response time and input lag are most noticeable) and it's only a minor downgrade from my old TN and still perfectly playable. The added color quality and viewing angles make more than up for it.

I also got a regular backlighted 23" e-IPS (NEC) for my retro gaming setup (where I hooked up all my retro hardware like Saturn, PS1, Amiga, MVS and Jamma arcade boards) and it's response time is absolutely fine and I can play 2d shoot em ups without any problems on it.
Posted December 17, 2012
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livefree: Where did you buy it? futureshop doesn't sell dell products and I have a few hundred dollar on their gift card.
Unfortunately, I think I bought direct from Dell. Just checking Dell's site, they have a huge selection of IPS and VA panel monitors, while Future Shop's selection quite limited, and expensive.

Future Shop sells the LG IPS235V, which seems ok at first glance. IPS, LED, sub-$300. Might be worth to do research on this one.

You can easily tell from the specs what monitor is VA/IPS and what is TN. A IPS/VA panel will be spec'd at 178/178 degree viewing angle while a TN panel monitor will only be spec'd at 170/160 degrees (which is an exaggeration).

I jsut noticed in the OP, you asked about calibration. Calibration is the adjustment of a display's gamma for accuracy, which is different from adjusting brightness and contrast. You adjust gamma in Catalyst control centre or Nvidia equivalent.

These are the websites I found most useful info and images for adjusting gamma:
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/
http://www.lcdreviewz.com/GammaCorrection

This is the picture I found most useful for adjusting gamma (especially gamma of each colour channel):
http://www.lcdreviewz.com/graphics/ColorGammaGradient.png

The main reason I adjusted gamma was because of my amateur photography. You might not find this to be worth doing, but I guess it depends on how inaccurate your monitor is.

There are also specialized software and hardware for gamma measurement and adjustment, but they're only worth the expense if you are a serious photographer or graphic designer.
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