Haha, good point. There is a reason why so many of my posts contains the "Edited at" line :D.

Well it's probably a Czech thing - the terrifying double negative of doom. Where any of your more complicated sentences can be interpreted in any way when looked at in a different light,

Using the consequences theme (and I agree with you), wouldn't the "Mid-to-Later-Ultimas" (like 4-5-6 and maybe even 7&8) count?

King of Dragon Pass is not for kids. It includes genocide, and there are mentions of rape as well...

I wasn't arguing what you wanted anyway, since you already said it's what you subjectively think is mature. Just wanted to point out how mature people can enjoy things that one thinks are for children/teenager. And since when is being happy a "non-mature" thing? I get the impression that your idea of "mature" is no fun, or something (I'll admit I haven't read all of your posts though, so I might have the wrong impression!).

And speaking about mature, I just finished reading "I have no mouth and I must scream". Damn. At least it wasn't a totally terrible ending :D

I guess so. But I have never been good at learning languages, so maybe it's just me :). Articles are still my biggest scarecrow :). Oh and conditions which sucks because I use them even more than average Czech.

I believe all games that exist, from a Pokemon game to Postal 2 to Planescape Torment can be for "mature" people. I believe almost all games that exist can be for everyone, no matter level of maturity, gender, race etc. Being mature doesn't mean you only like certain games, movies, books, music etc. And you don't need a fully developed brain in order to enjoy sex, violence etc in your entertainment. So yes, games for mature people exist.

Not here, just to argue with you though. I'm also here to be helpful. It seems what you are looking for are games, non mature(your definition) people wouldn't be able to enjoy? Rising Storm and Red Orchestra 2 requires you to be a responsible adult(being mature is being a responsible adult, yes?). If you choose, the commander role, your entire team depends on you for leadership and artillery strikes...so if you are childish and not take your role seriously(and screw over your team), then everyone on your team will hate you, insult you and probably TK you nonstop until you quit. If you choose to be sniper and don't take out enemy snipers, then you are letting your team down too. If you choose to be a squad leader and not assist your TL and die too often, you are letting down your team. Then there will be consequences, you will have to deal with that are unpleasant. I think any game that requires people having to work together, be responsible in order for people to have fun is a game for mature people. Maybe you are looking for games that don't cater to those who are superficial and impatient because you believe being mature is not being superficial and impatient?

Skipping the discussion about your subjective definition of "mature" and trying to find stuff that might fit it, how about:

Trauma
Depression Quest
Cart Life

;)

LOL those are depressing games! I think it will fit OP request perfectly. But I bet he will throw a hissy fit if he found out a teenager playing one of those games!

It would make it easier for people to help you, if you gave us a more clear definition of mature. Your definition in your first post "I meant it in the sense of games for adults, games which aren't really interesting and appropriate for chidren." is not very clear. In your eyes, what separates an adult's mind from a child's mind? My answer to this question is an adult understand the importance of responsibility and knows more than a child due to spending more time on this Earth. Unfortunately, a lot of people, even after reaching the age of 30 are still not adults in my eyes. The father who abandons his family, for example, is no adult. What is your answer?

If depressing is what you want, and you don't mind 'Modules' of a game.. I'm just going to set A Dance with Rogues here and then run away really fast.

If depressing is what he wants, I suggest he play the same game the guy in the attached pic, down below is playing.

Ouch. And that's most certainly only for adults.

I think its just a different kind of fun.
Watching Apocalypse Now! as a kid / teen was different from watching it as an adult.
I was much more aware of the narrative and was much more able to savour the content of the movie. It (or rather I) had to mature, like a good wine. So it felt good = it was fun, probably far more when I was a teenager.
David Lynch's films are something similar, too.

You definitely come across this when you reach a certain age. Some things might be still fun, others become fun on a whole different experience level. So, in short: No, I really mean that "mature" gaming can or even should be fun.

So your definition of a mature game is a game that can only be fully enjoyed, when you have reached a certain level of intelligence and wisdom?