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Navagon: If that's not enough (and it damn well should be) you could always release the ghouls into Tenpenny straight after .That's easily one of the biggest bad karma hits you can get without Broken Steel.

Oh yeah its easily enough, its just a matter of the grind to get to level 14. I've got a high tolerance for repetition but I've played it a LOT in the last month
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Navagon: 1. GFWL isn't required for Fallout 3 (neither is the disc if you point your shortcut to Fallout3.exe, rather than the launcher). The only purpose of GFWL is achievements. Surely nobody went and got all of those anyway, right? Right? ¬ ¬
DLC you can simply move to your Data folder.

I won't link to it because I don't know for sure what I used or which version, but there's at least one mod that disables or removes GFWL entirely. There may be some remnant of it still going, but I've never detected a sign since using it. Unfortunately it seems there's no way to undo this, and I kind of regret it because now I want The Pitt. YMMV.
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Navagon: 3. There are a lot of things that should be listed on the backs of boxes, like DRM for instance.

This is the main reason I only buy through GOG and Steam now. (Steam sells plenty of DRM nastiness, but the community there is very vocal about it and the forums tend to be a reliable source of information on this.) While I disagree with DRM in principle I'm not so stubborn to deny myself something I want because of it, however there's a limit to my patience and I feel like if I don't keep a hard enough line on this my computer is going to fill up with rootkits and sneaky registry keys. Sooner or later one of them is bound to screw up a crucial driver or (more likely) create a conflict with someone's equally intrusive anti-cheat solution. (I'm looking at you, GameGuard.)
I'm not sure I mind boxes missing information. For that matter I'm not sure I mind them being contaminated with anthrax. Every time I walk into a game shop I feel like a second-class citizen. The PC games are in the back, crammed together, out of order, the legit stuff crushed in next to the Barbie games and re-re-resold shareware lunch break trash. It reminds me of the porn section at Tower Video.
Post edited September 04, 2009 by einexile
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einexile: I won't link to it because I don't know for sure what I used or which version, but there's at least one mod that disables or removes GFWL entirely. There may be some remnant of it still going, but I've never detected a sign since using it. Unfortunately it seems there's no way to undo this, and I kind of regret it because now I want The Pitt. YMMV.

You don't need to remove it. You can play the game without it easily enough. In fact I wasn't really aware of the possibility of running the game with GFWL until I had first completed it.
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einexile: This is the main reason I only buy through GOG and Steam now. (Steam sells plenty of DRM nastiness, but the community there is very vocal about it and the forums tend to be a reliable source of information on this.) While I disagree with DRM in principle I'm not so stubborn to deny myself something I want because of it, however there's a limit to my patience and I feel like if I don't keep a hard enough line on this my computer is going to fill up with rootkits and sneaky registry keys. Sooner or later one of them is bound to screw up a crucial driver or (more likely) create a conflict with someone's equally intrusive anti-cheat solution. (I'm looking at you, GameGuard.)
I'm not sure I mind boxes missing information. For that matter I'm not sure I mind them being contaminated with anthrax. Every time I walk into a game shop I feel like a second-class citizen. The PC games are in the back, crammed together, out of order, the legit stuff crushed in next to the Barbie games and re-re-resold shareware lunch break trash. It reminds me of the porn section at Tower Video.

Steam also tells you of any (additional) DRM on the game's page. Which helps. Although I don't see why they tolerate DRM at all given that the platform itself exists for that purpose.
I don't bother with retail stores. But I still buy boxed copies from online stores and through eBay. Most of those are far cheaper than I'd be able to get from stores too.
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Aliasalpha: Oh yeah its easily enough, its just a matter of the grind to get to level 14. I've got a high tolerance for repetition but I've played it a LOT in the last month

Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm done with it for now until I can find some major mods to try, like the FOOK. Ideally, I want another patch or two too.
Post edited September 04, 2009 by Navagon
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fredbear5150: Whilst I will continue to play older PC games & to buy GOG releases, I have decided today that modern games are just too much of a liability for me to buy them any more. (And, no, I won't pirate them either.)

I've been where you are man. Games were buggy and very low budget with horrible plots. There were a few gems sprinkled in there but it was mainly garbage. My problem was I didn't have a source to pirate them from. So I switched to console systems and started with older models, then to newer ones. The Xbox 360 is my favorite out of them all, 3DO is a close second. After a while of playing them I figured out that consoles are good to a point. I noticed that PC games were improving because of the console industries strict standards. So I leapt back to PC to see what the buzz is about.
It's WAY better then it was before. With all that time playing consoles I managed to piece together a really nice computer. So it can play anything out there. I noticed someone made a DOS emulator called DOSBOX. So I scooped that up to play my old DOS games and it's only improved with age. It can't play everything but it can do most. Vista has also improved a great deal so I can play most of my new and classic titles. Alot of fans have made patches for games to get them working. There are some little stinkers that won't work so I bought a classic PC from a thrift store. Now I can play any game ever made. I've purchased many titles from here and Amazon to help complete my collection.
So my point is this, it's not the end of your computer gaming fun. You're just creating a new strategy. When it's all done you will see the method to it all.
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Catshade: You can always get games on a five-year lag, though...

Hahhahaa... :D
Now this was a triumph! :lol:
Friendly advice 2: crack your games, or download and play the hell out of them without financing the moronic assholes that are fucking up their own business with all this crappy nonsense.....
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fredbear5150: Whilst I will continue to play older PC games & to buy GOG releases, I have decided today that modern games are just too much of a liability for me to buy them any more. (And, no, I won't pirate them either.)
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dreadcog: I've been where you are man. Games were buggy and very low budget with horrible plots. There were a few gems sprinkled in there but it was mainly garbage. My problem was I didn't have a source to pirate them from. So I switched to console systems and started with older models, then to newer ones. The Xbox 360 is my favorite out of them all, 3DO is a close second. After a while of playing them I figured out that consoles are good to a point. I noticed that PC games were improving because of the console industries strict standards. So I leapt back to PC to see what the buzz is about.
It's WAY better then it was before. With all that time playing consoles I managed to piece together a really nice computer. So it can play anything out there. I noticed someone made a DOS emulator called DOSBOX. So I scooped that up to play my old DOS games and it's only improved with age. It can't play everything but it can do most. Vista has also improved a great deal so I can play most of my new and classic titles. Alot of fans have made patches for games to get them working. There are some little stinkers that won't work so I bought a classic PC from a thrift store. Now I can play any game ever made. I've purchased many titles from here and Amazon to help complete my collection.
So my point is this, it's not the end of your computer gaming fun. You're just creating a new strategy. When it's all done you will see the method to it all.

I agree. Completely. Well, not about the 3do. Other than that....
Also, I love my XB360. Incidentally, I can't really afford a gaming computer. There's not much difference nowadyas anyway (versus the huge difference in performance during the ps1 era, for instance). Try as hard as I can, I can't justify the cost when most of the games I want to play nowadays (Oblivion, Bioshock, Mass Effect, FO3) are available on the XB360 anyway and the graphics aren't that much worse. I don't really play enough games to make it worthwhile.
I just threw more RAM in my laptop. With 4g it plays NWN2 and Titan Quest adequately. Good enough. The only game I might seriously be annoyed about missing out on is Dragon Age and Diablo 3. Heck, who know, maybe they'll run on my PC (probably not).
Oh and ditto Plants vs. Zombies. Great, great game.
Since the beginning of the year I have bought only a few new games (Dawn of War 2, Blood Bowl, etc.) and I am waiting for release of a few others (Guild Wars 2 for example).
Except those few games I don't see anything special or interesting. It's probably because new games are generally shallow when compared to the older ones. Yes, I see hyped shiny graphics, some new (or recycled) features and nothing more.
I have returned to many older games, which I find more entertaining.