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Posted June 07, 2011
1. Steam user
2. Steam client
3. Brought game via Steam
4. Issues with patching the game (9 GB download) on Steam
5. Complaining about the game on non-Steam site!

Yepp..point 5.

If a steam user buys a game from Steam, to use it via Steam client and only those Steam users have problems of having to download 9 GB on Steam ONLY. Why is a Steam user issue being spammed on a non-Steam site?

its all related to Steam, why is the issue being mentioned on GOG forums.

If you have disagreements with Steam, report it to Steam support and ask steam why the hell are they selling the game on Steam ..or why are they enabling Witcher 2 updates with such huge sizes.

Ridiculous..the ones who started the threads.
Posted June 07, 2011
This is Steam's fault for calling full game version downloads a "patch." Seriously they are turning into among the biggest abusers of bandwidth on the internet.

While it's true that it would've be nice if the game worked better at launch why don't we take the piss out of the people who deserve it? Here I'll even help ya.

https://support.steampowered.com/
Posted June 07, 2011
Okay, here's my take on this:

Rule #1 - NEVER buy from Steam or GOG. Why? Because they charge too much. They rely on the consumer's 'convenience store' mentality. What do I mean by that?

Example: Let's say that you are at home and you need to go out and buy your beautiful pet Alsatian dog some dog food. You have two choices; drive 6klms to the supermarket and buy your best friend's food for $1 or walk to the convenience store three blocks away and pay $3 for it.

The same principle applies to buying games. Do you sit in front of your PC and order and down-load a game via one of the two a fore-mentioned sites or do you go to a retail store and buy the boxed version?

Or choose a third option and buy a Retail version on-line from someone like eBay.

I chose the third option and got W2 for $AU57 delivered. It took 5 days to arrive. Big deal.

If I had chosen Steam, I could have had W2 instantly (down-load time not withstanding) for $AU75.

GOG, to me was a joke. I now quote what they say on their website:

Buy W2 for $AU69.99
We'll bill you the equivalent in US dollars of $75.96.

They say this in-spite of the fact that the Australian dollar is worth MORE than the US dollar!!!

They than go on to say:

Since the Australian price is is almost $26 more than the price in US dollars, we're giving you a $US26 credit to spend on GOG.com.

WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH!

The point of all this is, aside from advising not to buy games from the above-mentioned, is that because I had a Retail version of the game, I was able to down-load Patches 1.1 and 1.2 from CDP and INSTALL THEM IN A MATTER OF SECONDS!

Btw, my Broadband 2+ speed appears to be around 14Mbps.

Check yours out at http://www.speedtest.com

Cheers,
Wolfy
Posted June 07, 2011
Eh White Wolfy, maybe Steam is more expensive in Oz, but it is usually far cheaper where I live. Hence the reason I tend to use it. People in Australia are absolutely abused when it comes to gaming from what I hear so your disdain is completely understood though.
Post edited June 07, 2011 by jklinders
Posted June 07, 2011
I am not affected by it, GoG version here.

But CDPr shares some blame, to be fair. Not every game from Steam must be patched like that, right? So, there is something about the version CDPr supplied to them that "makes" them patch it like that. I think somebody offered a decent theory about the file types up above.

So, if CDPr shares some responsibility, I think it is fine for a Steam customer to complain on the game publisher's site.

I would bet CDPr sees it as their problem too, and are working to change the patching relationship with Steam as we type away.
Posted June 07, 2011
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WhiteWolfy: They say this in-spite of the fact that the Australian dollar is worth MORE than the US dollar!!!
I'm pretty sure that your government was the problem there. GOG didn't jack up the price for their own amusement, you know.

And the GOG version downloads and installs in seconds, too, not to mention the fact that it worked quite a bit better than retail before patch 1.1 was released.
Posted June 07, 2011
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hanns.g: I am not affected by it, GoG version here.

But CDPr shares some blame, to be fair. Not every game from Steam must be patched like that, right? So, there is something about the version CDPr supplied to them that "makes" them patch it like that. I think somebody offered a decent theory about the file types up above.

So, if CDPr shares some responsibility, I think it is fine for a Steam customer to complain on the game publisher's site.

I would bet CDPr sees it as their problem too, and are working to change the patching relationship with Steam as we type away.
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Well...yes and no. Somewhere in the development process they decided to store most of the game data in one big file. I guess it's either good for loading times, or just a technical decision based on their engine, or the way they work...

Anyway, when they made that decision they surely didn't think at Steam at all. And frankly: Why should they? They cannot alter the game for everyone else just to "fit" the Steam distribution modell, that goes a little bit too far. It's different for games that are meant to play with Steam no matter if it's retail or digital (like the Total War Games by The Creative Assembly). Those must definitely be "Steam-fit".

Of course when they, or the mother enterprise CD Project made the decision to deliver their game via Steam that was the moment they should've thought about how their game is built and how this could impact the release of patches over Steam. Guess that's what is happening now...a little late admittedtly.

But Valve should react, too. Isn't it in the best interest of Valve to keep their customers? Or to attract more customers? Then why can't they make an exception for the patching process of The Witcher 2? Well...judging from my past experience with Valve and Steam this word - "exception" - does not exist in their vocabulary. -.-

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Post edited June 07, 2011 by GODzillaGSPB
Posted June 07, 2011
Thx for the kind words, jk. Wouldn't happen to be a Habs fan, by any chance...? :)

227, not quite sure what you are saying...please explain...

Cheers.
Wolfy

PS: To the OP - you live in Turkey, your internet is cr*p. Petition your government if you want change.
Posted June 07, 2011
If I can get a game retail or the steam version I always choose retail.
Hate the whole patch system.
It is even cheaper (living in Germany). As I only play in English the game cost me 26€ shipped from thehut.com whereas Steam wanted 50€. Yeah sure,
And I only have a 16mbit connection. It takes too long too download games.
Posted June 07, 2011
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WhiteWolfy: Okay, here's my take on this:

Rule #1 - NEVER buy from Steam or GOG. Why? Because they charge too much. They rely on the consumer's 'convenience store' mentality. What do I mean by that?

Example: Let's say that you are at home and you need to go out and buy your beautiful pet Alsatian dog some dog food. You have two choices; drive 6klms to the supermarket and buy your best friend's food for $1 or walk to the convenience store three blocks away and pay $3 for it.

The same principle applies to buying games. Do you sit in front of your PC and order and down-load a game via one of the two a fore-mentioned sites or do you go to a retail store and buy the boxed version?

Or choose a third option and buy a Retail version on-line from someone like eBay.

I chose the third option and got W2 for $AU57 delivered. It took 5 days to arrive. Big deal.

If I had chosen Steam, I could have had W2 instantly (down-load time not withstanding) for $AU75.

GOG, to me was a joke. I now quote what they say on their website:

Buy W2 for $AU69.99
We'll bill you the equivalent in US dollars of $75.96.

They say this in-spite of the fact that the Australian dollar is worth MORE than the US dollar!!!

They than go on to say:

Since the Australian price is is almost $26 more than the price in US dollars, we're giving you a $US26 credit to spend on GOG.com.

WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH!

The point of all this is, aside from advising not to buy games from the above-mentioned, is that because I had a Retail version of the game, I was able to down-load Patches 1.1 and 1.2 from CDP and INSTALL THEM IN A MATTER OF SECONDS!

Btw, my Broadband 2+ speed appears to be around 14Mbps.

Check yours out at http://www.speedtest.com

Cheers,
Wolfy
Here in the US, a new game on Steam or any other Digital service is the same price as retail version, and will stay like that for a very long time. Even through Ebay there is very minimal saving unless you buy an imported version from some south asian country. For me, buying on a digital service actually is cheaper in the long run then buying retail, because I don't spend money on gas and wear and tear on my car.
Posted June 07, 2011
With all due respect, eisberg77, what kind of vehicle are you driving, a Hummer or what?

And you honestly don't believe that retailers such as Walmart , Kmart and a host of others, not to mention on-line retailers, offer a cheaper price? Maybe not in IDAHO but surely in the rest of the US.

Having said that, America has some of the cheapest prices for goods anywhere in the world.

I could have bought W2 from Amazon.com for less than $40 except that they only sold to peeps in the US.

And, just as a btw to all of my American mates (friends), beware of China!

Cheers,
Wolfy
Post edited June 07, 2011 by WhiteWolfy
Posted June 07, 2011
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WhiteWolfy: With all due respect, eisberg77, what kind of vehicle are you driving, a Hummer or what?

Having said that, America has some of the cheapest prices for goods anywhere in the world.

I could have bought W2 from Amazon.com for less than $40 except that they only sold to peeps in the US.

And, just as a btw to all of my American mates (friends), beware of China!

Cheers,
Wolfy
So unless I am driving a hummer I am not using gas? It is a 12 mile drive to the nearest store that sells games, that is 24 mile round trip, which would cost me $3.69 in gas, and I can't even do other needed shopping like groceries since the nearest grocery store is 4 miles away in the opposite direction. Also at the time of release Amazon was selling the game for $50, it has only been since E3 that the price has dropped to $40 as a sale price. Generally speaking, a new game does not go on sale so soon after release here in the US, I could have been waiting 6 months to a year for the game to go on sale or drop in price.

Anyways the point is, perhaps in Australia digital distribution is not worth the price, but I can say for the US, the prices are the same between Digital and Retail there is no extra charge for convenience.
Posted June 07, 2011
Another issue I have is the conversion rate $:€ is almost 1:1. So 50$ on steam.com are 50€ on Steam.de.
You can see that when using proxy servers. And there is a hell lot of censorship here.
Posted June 07, 2011
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Musluk: Rural areas of the US also gets low speed low bandwidth internet, that makes them less than people? And you get censored, cut in half games - does it make the games less authentic?
I know there are a lot of people with slow internet connection even here too. I just wanted to say that I would buy games online (Steam) if I would have to download them. In US you can get it in stores too instead of waiting days to finish downloads on 1Mbit/s lines.

Did you know Witcher 2 was rated "mature" in most parts of the world incl. US and nearly whole Europe but was rated "16" in Germany whithout being censored.

Well, it is not true Germans play only censored/cut games. We get a lot of uncut releases nowadays and if something is missing in a game there are nonofficial ways to get it uncensored. Sometimes when games are not even released here (e.g. upcoming Dead Island) people who want it, will get it the pirate way. I think it is really stupid when games get censored (tits in US) but thats life. Publishers who release censorerd games should blame themselves if a game wont sell well and its being pirated.
Post edited June 07, 2011 by TRVTRV
Posted June 07, 2011
hallo ist buxbaum Ihr Englisch sehr gut. Sind Sie Deutscher oder irgendeine andere Nationalität?
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