Lebesgue: Read the manual. Manuals are there for a reason.

gnarbrag: @others, I checked the EE manuals and they are not as detailed as the originals

tx3000: There is no manual to read. If you think there is one, then why don't you copy and paste a page form it..I believe some clown mentioned something about page 17..I will have the person who made those videos rip that apart as well.

tx3000: How about instead of being assholes why don't you give a single example on how to do combat.

tx3000: Are either of you going to actually help, or just continue being total jackasses?

Bookwyrm627: Combat 101
Step 1: Look for something with a red circle around it. The red circle means the thing doesn't like you.
Step 2: Click on your character. If you've managed to move around, then you should be able to figure out how to click your character.
Step 3: Click on the thing with the red circle.

You just told your character to attack the enemy. Good job! I've attached a gold star for you!

southern: Dude I'm your 342nd youtube subscriber and I#m liking your videos, show some gratitude!

Shadowsetzer: Okay, I just checked the two manuals for BG:EE. Between the two of them, they have absolutely EVERYTHING you need to know to get started in this game, plus other stuff besides. You might not like to hear "RTFM", but it's a common response for a *reason*. It's what we had to do back before guides, walkthroughs, etc. were widely available on the internet, and somehow we all got by.

TL,DR: stop complaining that the game doesn't spoon-feed you information, and make an attempt to learn it before you go onto forums to b**** about how a game that's widely considered a classic is 'impossible to play'.

tx3000: Fuck off with the spoon feeding comment. If you and others don't get the concept of how to play the game is the responsibility of the developer NOT THE PLAYER then your all retarded.

So you're a retard. You do not tell people who come to a forum asking for help, where the people say if you need help ask, and then they're met with fuck off, leave the forum and go learn it yourself.

More so you don't get to complain you get talked to rudely and try to play victim after you just told the person who you are going to help to fuck off, and don't bother us.

Also don't try saying being rude won't get you help because no one is helping anyway and have yet to help. All people have done is pass the buck then says stop complaining.

People like you guys who do that should be banned from any forum because all you are there for is to instigate problems and provoke people, then try to play victim.

tx3000: Just with that information alone combat still cannot be done which means your instructions are useless. There are two major flaws with your whole combat 101 outline.

1. There is no way a player would ever know that because none of that is even mentioned in the game at the time it should be,

2. Since you didn't bother to include how to open the inventory, and the go over all the steps to equip a weapon ( Which BTW is also never mentioned in the game at the time it should be) it makes your whole combat 101 impossible to do and obsolete.

Is combat even a possibility in the first room of BG II EE?

tx3000: Fuck off with the spoon feeding, and you can look thins up bullshit. NO I won't, and I don't care how many things can be looked up, I shouldn't have to and I'm not going to. Any7one that buys a game is 100% entitled to all the basics from the developer themselves being explained..none of this look it up bullshit.

Shadowsetzer: For the starting room you mentioned, clicking on them will start a conversation (as noted above for neutral characters). The woman will tell you to find a key to open her cage. It's on the round table in the room on the left. (Use the tab key to highlight it if you need to.) The man in the other cage will actually break himsefl out after you talk to him.

tx3000: Then that should have at been used as a single example to give a player some type of learning curve. this is an RPG not a mind reading sim.

And this is going in circles, so lets cut all the bullshit and clarify everything:

1. THE DEVS DID NOT EXPLAIN HOW TO PLAY. THERE ARE NO IN GAME INSTRUCTIONS THAT GO OVER EVERY GAME BASIC. The manual DOES NOT APPLY TO HERE. IF it's not in the game THEN IT HAS NOT BEEN EXPLAINED.

2. AS FAR AS THE MANUAL GOES, IT IS PURE SHIT! IT DOES NOT EXPLAIN ANYTHING TO ANYONE WHO HAS NEVER PLAYED THE GAME WHICH THEY WILL BE ABLE TO USE FOR PLAYING. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO CAN UNDERSTAND THE MANUAL ARE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY PLAYED THE GAME WHICH IS WHY AND HOW THEY CAN UNDERSTAND IT. THE MANUAL DOES NOT APPLY. TO THIS AND CANNOT BE USED AS A CRUTCH TO IGNORE THE ACTUAL PROBLEM.

3. Saying to be clear about what's being asked is fucking stupid. Everything being asked about is very clear. People just didn't bother paying any attention to actual issues because they're too busy trying to use useless information to argue with the person asking for help.

If I say nothing is explained then that means anything anyone says to do that does not have all the steps listed no matter how minute it is, IS NOT BEING EXPLAINED. every single interface option requires a single basic example of it's use WITH ALL THE STEPS in order for the game to be playable. If something is not explained it renders that aspect UNUSABLE. Do not say click an icon, then never say what the icon looks like, do not say attack something, unless you go over everything involved, so not say anything about spells unless there is an actual example given on the entire procedure from start to finish on whatever was mentioned.

If you do not want to explain how to open the map or any part of it, then Do not say open the map.
If you do not explain how to use the map, then do not say use the map.

it's not that fucking hard to see where all the flaws are in this game and the total lack of explanation and inconsistencies in some of the half assed instructions. This is a fucking tutorial, which means the player is required to have their hand held for every little aspect in every game basic and be given an example of why it would be used.

Then and only then is the game playable, leaving out all the basics and having statements such as "Open your inventory" and then never going over anything with the player about the inventory or how it's functions operate, Don't tell a player to do something then expect the player to be psychic. How fucking retarded do the devs have to be to say open your inventory but then never explain a single thing about it, but even more so how fucking retarded can a player be to actually try defending the developer for pulling shit like that by telling the player complaining about it not being explained fully and properly it's their fault and they should look it up and then start throwing around the comment of you want your hand held.

You kidding me, it's a game play basic so explain how to use it.

tx3000: Show some gratitude for what exactly?
Those aren't my videos, that isn't my channel, and that isn't me. So congratulations, you just subscribed to someone who isn't me and then gave me credit!

tx3000: Ok i looked through the manuals and they're total shit and about as useless as telling someone who doesn't know Greek, to learn it on their own without any help from anyone or getting help from anywhere and if they don't it's their fault.

Shadowsetzer: You seem to expect the developers to handwalk you through every aspect of gameplay for at least the first 15-20 minutes.

tx3000: Right now both games are impossible to play because of the current condition they're in with no basic instructions on how to even open your inventory, never mind anything as complex as how to do combat. I mean for gosh sake you're told to attack belt then belt says don't attack me here go see for yourself at 5:18 it says right on the screen CAST A SPELL ON BELT then at 5:33 Belt says WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING ME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwQpeLbLaXk