Just for the record, I'm not the donor who asked for a Leaderboard sheet.

Oh, you don't like reading? That's okay, noone forced you to ^__^

"FOOL" is about the most gentle way I could think of to describe the situation while tip-toeing on a thin ice of what is still considered relatively good taste. I could use bigger, less pink flavoured, words...
And I stand by what I said.
I would not go below "extremely shortsighted", and that didn't feel strong enough...

Also, if this is enough to trigger some people's "insult mental trigger" - well, it's awfully ironic double standard considering what kind of words used to be thrown around in these 2 threads and then close to noone batted an eye... but alas...

There's already a list of donators. It existed for a very long time.
And it doesn't change what I said, every single point still standing.
Some people can't donate - putting them on a list reminding them of that certainly isn't "fun" to them - maybe it's fun to YOU, with different perspective, but not to them...

You are missing the entire point... but I wasn't exactly expecting you to get my point across... so I'm not surprised...
How do I say it:
"the view point chamges depending on seat position" or more or less the proverb goes

Now... you will have to excuse me - English is technically not my 1st language, and despite having had been learning it for over 20 years, I still make mistakes, and I don't always have enough fineese to convey 1 and only 1 very meaning I meant to.
After proof-reading ( before sending ) my post, I was under the impression that I am making it sufficiently clear I mean "future tense, for people AFTER the list gets published".
I did not call you a "clout chasing kid". Tho you surely are rich... else I would suggest you re-think your spending decisions and prioritize your other needs instead...

I also didn't explicitly state "everyone" just like you didn't either ( you said "some people" as an argument to defend seemingly everyone. Kind of hypocritical hyperbole reverse switcheroo on your end, but alas... ).

Yes, because ignoring cirticism and silently letting it blow over is certainly one of pre-existing tactics of dealing with it.
"Internet will forget in few weeks".
I will give you that!
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"Good" and "better", mark my words.
Forget rules...
"Criticism for thee, not for me".
Money can't buy class.
And it certainly cannot buy emotional defense from low bar legit open-faced criticism.
It's okay to criticise the "low class", but when it's the "top feeders", then it's wrong... am I right? ^__-

Are you BenKii's alternate personna? Or perhaps an esper?
Or are you 2 people one and the same, and it's time to drop the veil?...
I guess the mystery will stay unsolved... /s

Awwwwww - you got triggered - well... Can't say I'm surprised...
Having guts to take criticism right into your face is not something riches can buy...
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And if you think using thought provoking tactics and me being somewhat controversial in the community according to some select individuals is enough of a reason to discard all my legitimate raised concerns and feedback - well that is your right to do - just don't forget, this is a public forum and anyone is free to ignore your opinion, just like they are perfectly free to ignore mine ;)

Have a good month of May, mister Top of the hill ^__-





Yes, and that is the problem... sadly :/

BenKii, I repeat myself like a broken record, but, the Tier 1 of the list isn't the biggest problem.
It's Tier 2, being bigger problem, and Tier 3 being even more problematic...

In my opinion, you should have pushed this as an idea and then collect feedback - instead you decided to give less than 12 hours notice ( 0 hours if we go by "first timezone that is already in 1st May", which is certainly a kind of logic YOU yourself used before already for SOME "starting new month" posts... ).

Your actions have consequences.

You may bee too innocent to get the point... "society" as a whole is not as clean as you, it's a long scale, bad apples included. You should NEVER set "good people" as "baseline behaviour" - that's a recipee for disaster...
Tho ofc you do you - see what happens...

Ultimately you will do whatever you want to.
But since I, this time, gave you feedback in public, you cannot pretend ) this time ) you weren't warned...

Um, what's the point of this rant? I haven't checked the spreadsheet for your nickname, but I'm guessing you are feeling misrepresented?

And I don't see how this affects you, as you haven't been active in the community outside giveaway-related threads in over 12 months.

I do remember that finkleroy had banned you from the giveaway for your behavior at some point. "Your actions have consequences," after all.

Uhm what?
I would also count this as just some bit of fun.
And for anyone paying attention it was always clear who is donating and who not, just by the post people make thanking the donors for the game, the donor list etc.

Ask for a game from the giveaway, slap the host and the donors immediately in response. That's nice of you.

It's called "not being a blind fanboy".
It's awfully funny for you to suggest giftees have no right to criticise the giveaway - which is entirely what THIS thread is for.
Also - immediatelly my a** - if you pay attention I only sent out criticism after BenKii posted his PSA, which he did in the same post he granted me Amazon key for - which has been an 1 hr + after my initial key request.
So all statements in your comment fall flat :P

And as always - zero reaction to legit feedback - only "criticism bad" spiel...
How ( dissappointingly ) standard for this thread...

You missed a "y" : )

Also, if we are to have a list of suppliers, how about a list of supplicants? The most beneficent benefactor vs the most benefiting beneficiary.

I miss some things despite proof reading... Sleep deprivation is a real REDACTED.
Generally, I avoid editing posts beyond 5 minute mark, to avoid false accusations of "altering meaning post factum"...

I, errr....
You lost me here...
EXPOUND! :P

Who's the biggest beggar? Name and (not shame; it's just for fun)

Are we going by most keys requested?
Or by most keys claimed?
Or is there some "secret formula"? :P
I couldn't possibly tell either way - I hardly read requests these days, and I have been on and off the 2 threads for ages, including months long breaks sometimes. While some names pop-up a lot, I wouldn't personally know...

Also, do we count "most rejected requests per requests done" ? lol ( that's a jab at the "I made account X days ago, had zero activity, and jumped straight into giveaway" clear cut alt account or "want free s**t" posts ofc )

It's not important, any hypothetical metric that you care to consider would do; it's not a legitimate request, but simply a facetious way to suggest that the same principle applied in reverse seems self-evidently problematic in the ways you described for the list of donors.

Well yeah - making a "list" of "giftees X keys activated" would be nearly equally problematic. That should go without saying... I wouldn't condone such list either...

Well, I will go out on a limb here and say that when I saw that announcement my thoughts were along the lines of "What the hell? Gamifying donations now, and likely shaming those who may just give a game or two that they can barely afford by making the comparison so obvious? And without as much as a discussion first? Seriously now?"
Really strikes me as poor taste. It might encourage a handful of users who like this sort of thing to give a little more, or at least feel better about doing it, but the concern is about those at the opposite end. Having the admin and recipient know and maybe get a public thanks for individual donations is one thing, having everything listed and ranked, compared, for all to see at any point in the future, is quite another and can lead to feelings of inadequacy or just awkwardness in some, if they see that they compare poorly, or for those inclined to be more humble maybe actually if they compare well...
Also looks like a fair bit more work for BenKii. Obviously a desired kind of work, but thinking of some other suggestions that were set aside just so they won't require more work.

Now, personally I don't really care, and as long as it won't in any way be used to "buy" eligibility or more leeway in case of questionable behavior, and also as long as it stays like this, a separate file, not posted directly, it probably won't have much direct impact. But, yeah, definitely feels like the wrong way to go about it and I'm pretty sure that it'll generate some negative emotions in some donors. How many and how it'll compare to those who'll feel better because of it, no idea.

I guess it could be tried to see the effects, maybe especially if it'll just be a monthly thing instead of overall, but it really should first be discussed and opinions of plenty of donors from both ends of the ranking should be actively asked for.

I've only donated 15 or so keys to the giveaway (and also benefited mightily from a Starred win) but I can assure you I couldn't care less if my handle remains at '0' for the rest of time. I find it strange you'd attach so much importance to this ranking as someone who's stated before they're not online much and have bigger priorities. I firmly believe the vast majority of well balanced folks would agree that this is perfectly harmless and trivial, particularly considering its voluntary nature (perhaps BenKii could routinely ask people on their first donation if they wish to feature on the leaderboard–thus making it clear to all the list isn't remotely definitive of anything).

If you truly believe some pathologically attention starved person out there would buy a giant stack of game gift codes to "win" kudos on a google docs spreadsheet, linked from a single post on the community forums of a niche digital distribution platform, then more power to them! More games for everyone and I'd happily thank them on everyone's behalf.

I also agree that it's interesting you demand civility when when your post is pretty hostile and pejorative.