Question: what is a "grandfathered" videogame?

I actually would say that everyone has voted with their wallet.

Sorry for taking the quote above a bit out of context but I do feel that, people have voted pretty hard.

Following the rest of the post and also some previous posts, I do agree that people should "self-regulate" themselves but then we wouldn't need gambling, alchool or drugs to be state ragulated (with lots of interests).

Usually education is the way to go but we are well past the turning point.
DRM has been normalized, even on Linux users.
Microtransactions have been normalized to the point of "default" skins are a bit of a shun online.
DLC-creep has been normalized, while Paradox is a case by itself, even small games plan several DLC from the start. This is not a bad thing by itself but in general terms, it's expected to every game provide future updates and content updates.


In regards of SKG initiative, would like to add that I never believed that the "right to repair" movement would gain any traction at all.
I did watch Louis Rossman videos every once in a while, before the "Right to Repair" happened (and stopped around that time), so I did follow from the very start, lightly. How wrong I was, it did gain traction, and a lot! Perhaps not enought though.

Also, SKG might not be only about videogames, the repercussions might hit the entire software industry, who knows?
As above, "perhaps not enought though".

Again, it seems like you don’t understand what you're talking about. If you're referring to the new C-14 batteries, they are not “made from carbon and nuclear materials” as you say. They use Carbon-14, a radioactive isotope with a half-life of about 5,700 years (the same isotope used in carbon dating). The C-14 is encapsulated in an artificial diamond (yes, diamonds are involved, but synthetic diamonds are relatively cheap to produce). The reason diamonds are used is because they are excellent at absorbing radiation. As the C-14 decays inside the diamond structure, it emits beta particles (essentially high-energy electrons). The diamond captures these electrons, and their energy is then converted into electrical power. This results in a very long-lasting but low-output battery, which could be useful for niche applications like pacemakers and, indeed, space exploration

No, the issue is that you don’t understand German, especially the terminology used in German chemistry. There’s no secret here, just a different use of language.

The German word “Stoff” (spelled with a double f) is used differently than the English word “stuff.” In the context of chemistry, Stoff means chemical substance or matter. For example, oxygen and hydrogen are referred to as Wasserstoff in German, which literally translates to water-substance or water-stuff. This terminology was often abbreviated. For instance, B-Stoff was short for Brennstoff, which means fuel. During WWII, B-Stoff referred specifically to the 75% ethanol / 25% water mix used in the V-2 rockets. (Other fun stoff. M-Stoff is methanold. During WWi, T-Stoff was tear gass. X-Stoff is tetranitromethane, and so on)

Also, you’re confusing a few things. A-Stoff referred to liquid oxygen. Hydrogen peroxide is indeed used in rocketry as an oxidizer, but again, this isn’t some secret - anyone with a basic understanding of chemistry knows this.

in afrikaans we say plof stoff "meaning explosive"
i type with a shattered right arm and sometimes shorten alot and dont go into too much detail so billy reading this does not blow his face off in a miss guided attempt.

also... you can read... the system works.
but it did not say water stoff, it said stoff A and stoff B and was classified.

so in truth we can't just accept what's given to us by those around us.. we need to also do some research.

Proud of you.
and yes even i make mistakes, but i try learn from them.

Not understanding what you are writing has nothing to do with your arm.

Where was that stated? You didn’t say that yourself, nor did you link to anything that did. Be careful not to make yourself look dishonest now. And again, B-Stoff, for example, was simply an abbreviation of Brennstoff, which means "fuel" (literally, "burning substance"). While the exact composition may have been classified at the time, that’s not why it was called B-Stoff. It’s no different than saying “rocket fuel” without specifying the exact type.

After WWII, the composition of B-Stoff, the 75% ethanol / 25% water mix, was no longer secret, and in fact became common knowledge. Even during the war, it wasn’t particularly well-guarded or mysterious. It is used to today for hobby rockets and school rocket projects.

edit - and A-Stoff was just a word for liquid oxygen, again not a secret. And everyone working with rocket fuel knows you need oxygen to burn it. So in other words, what A-Stoff and B-Stoff meant was "Oxygen and fuel".

Which is something you should take to heart, because it is very clear you do not do so. Everything you said in that post was wrong.

ahh here' comes the.. "i am right, you are wrong play"
i could be wrong.. i can make mistakes..

but..
During the war, the details of the German V-2 rocket program and its propellants were highly classified within Nazi Germany.

After the war, the Allies, particularly the U.S. and Soviet Union, scrambled to obtain German rocket technology and expertise (see: Operation Paperclip).

Once captured, these substances were no longer secret in and of themselves, but the technology and know-how behind their use in high-performance rocketry were of great interest and were treated as sensitive.


i could tell you a whole other way to get a payload off the ground.. and our earths core is the key..

But if you had followed your own advice - “do your research” - a two-second Google search would’ve shown you that you were wrong. Especially when you are posting about things you clearly do not know anything about. This isn’t the first time this has happened. Learn from it.

And yes, the V-2 program itself was classified, but A-Stoff and B-Stoff were not. All militaries have classified programs - hardly a groundbreaking revelation.

ok then.. like i said i made a mistake..
here's the thing tho my point had nothing to do with the names of compounds...it's what they did to classify them.. same way.. if we didn't know what goes into moonshine.. someone would gaurd that secret to slow others progress.

i was not pointing out.. how to make a rocket.. but how they hid making it.

you failed to understand the point.
the point being if a fix can cost you 2C will a company admit.. it costs 2c if they can make $1000

got nothing else to say about that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji2N_66hPmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4wwvKcsblE

Not a single cent, I’m quite sure of that.

I know this is a fact for DOSBox (the original one, bundled with GOG games), and I would be very surprised if it were any different for ScummVM.

Have one launcher setup on earth or luna to launch supply vehicles into orbit and another similar setup to send mined materials and whatnot back the other way. Add some sort of propulsion to each payload to shuttle it along post-launch and bob's your uncle?

What do you mean "be the change" when that's what is going on here with a Citizen's Initiative? You act like thats bad. And people don't vote with wallets, they vote with VOTES.

You're long post is just thoughtlessly blaming the customer when publishers aren't even obligated to post an expiry date.

BreOl72 is saying (to use the "Asking gamers to not buy enjoyable online-only games is like asking an alcoholic to just stop drinking" analogy earlier in the thread), if someone keeps complaining about liver pain on Monday, then guzzles 12 pints on Tuesday, then develops jaundice on Wednesday, then downs another 2 bottles of Scotch on Thursday, then develops cirrhosis on Friday, then goes back for Rum & Vodka on Saturday, then at some point he's going to end up looking in the bathroom mirror and saying "Of course its 'difficult' but if I want real change then I also need to step up and make life choices that support that in addition to simply lobbying that liver transplant surgeon to fix everything for me so I don't have to put in even 1% of personal effort". It's less about "victim blaming" and more observing simple cause-effect mechanics.

Example 1 - Online Anti-Cheat. It wasn't that long ago when EA was sued for injecting malware-like Ring 0 rootkits. Ross said he plans to remove anti-Cheat technologies that require an online connection (which these days is most of them). Problem he will face is - today many (perhaps even most) multi-player competitive gamers out there actively clap & cheer online-only anti-cheat technologies today and openly want to keep it in meaning "preserving" such games is impossible anyway, with or without a "sunsetting plan" or DRM-Free release. If it weren't, then their game will be drowning in cheaters and will thus 'die' in a different way. Valorant's Vanguard even locks the game to your TPM module. "Yes please, sir can I have some more sir!". The bottom line is - many multi-player games are complete and utter "preservational" write-offs anyway by nature of their very design and their self-destructive self-harming "communities" actually want to KEEP them that way.

Example 2 - Pay2win mechanics. Someone quoted "Why don't you not listen to music you like? Why don't you not watch movies you like?" from the FAQ as some 'enabling excuse' so gamers can just vote for something without doing anything else. Now imagine buying a music CD or movie DVD but unless you pressed a button on the remote 10,000 times or went online to buy "1.0x speed DLC", that 1hr album / 2hr movie would be played back only by force replaying each track / chapter 10x over before "unlocking" the next one to cheaply pad it out to be a 10hr album / 20hr movie. Yet that's half the MT-saturated, mindless grind-fest online multi-player service "games" even without any DRM / server-shutdown issues (and most people with any common sense sure as hell WOULD boycott the sh*t out of that nonsense if it existed in music / movies even for stuff they liked). Thankfully, such garbage design is relegated mostly to online-only multi-player video games as we still can rip a CD to a FLAC, or a DVD to an MP4 or scan a book into a PDF and listen / watch / read offline.

^ But that's exactly where the real industry enshitification comes from - gamers may not have started the problem, but they absolutely have developed an incredibly self-destructive co-dependency 'demand' to keep it going "as is". A change in attitude (especially from multi-player gamers) is unquestionably needed beyond wanting to change the law, as the online-only DRM video game preservability problem is predominantly very specific to video games (and actively dependent on "Gamers (tm)" continuing to throw money at the problem out of FOMO then engaging in 'blame deflection'). It's not 100% your fault, but if you keep throwing money at the same problem you claim to "oppose" after you've become aware of the issue, then it's far removed from 0% either, and you end up becoming part of the problem too...

This!

The "SKG" initiative is trying to outsource the problem's solution by asking lawmakers around the globe to step in - instead of admitting, that gamers themselves are the ones to blame in the first place, and that there would be no problem, if gamers were able to restrain themselves.

Edit:
to try and put it as short as possible:

The problem at hand is not the existence of these "online only", heavily DRMed games.
The problem at hand is the existence of gamers who keep purchasing these games - despite knowing about the implemented expiry date...and then try to put their own responsibility in this onto others.

i will be honest it feels like it's too well planned out.
where they kill the old, to sell you the new.
oblivions remaster.. killing skybliv..

gpu's that can.. but wont due to intentional code changes.
intentionally unoptimized code.

hardware security can be easily defeated.. and this is were it gets grey... be safe and un hacked online.. or keep your old hardware and become part of some guys botnet without even knowing.

it upsets me because i have seen good games get called trash and when you dig.. deep enough you will find people or robots on leashes manipulating us all.

same with when a streamer they cannot control starts to speak truths.. you will see some messed up troll crap come to play.

and it's not acceptable for people to get hurt by people rolling in money that was earned thru carving up gamers.

were not their play thing.

and they have the audacity to harvest data, dig in our minds thru market research and bend social media i speak a truth no one wants to hear.. this is why i have seen hell unfold.

and the problem is you just have no idea who you are really giving money to...
were just trying to enjoy a pass time and it's better off when were the ones calling the shots because were the ones that have to consume it.

they can take their politics, their lies their manipulation and shove it.

one sneaky corpo guy can have 100 "indie" studio's in his pocket and somewhere one will become popular enough.

so yes it's very hard to enjoy games when you can't even trust the industry.

i admire the freedom some developers show and their will to keep their games alive.
but where does the money go.. what does it feed... the next game... or weapons used against us?

some developers run very nasty communities... and they don't start off this way.. the influence it till it becomes what they want.


try have this kind of conversation on some platforms... you wont get anywhere... because they know their guilty.

one older pc i bypassed tpm and the result is... hackers see a opportunity... developers see a vulnerability.
and both sides are fighting for control.. and your in the middle going.. dude i need peace and joy for a moment please..