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Nirth: Anyone else got stuck at that article? I can't stop reading.
I stopped when I finished reading it ;)
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tfishell: snip

I really agree with what you're saying, and perhaps trying to do. However, at times it seems the most crotchety, old-at-heart, or stubborn people here end up being the most vocal, or the quickest to answer.
Thanks, I think you got it. :)

Maybe what you mention happens because us old farts have nothing else to do :) also I know I have a bit of compulsion and I believe others around do as well - must reply, MUST reply...

Anyway even if the cynic, misanthrope, asshole angle is correct on occasion [raises hand - guilty as charged] I think GOG culture is above all irreverent. I think some "sins" that we are less aware of have to do with derailing serious stuff via jokes - not personal jokes, but still making light of the topic which for the other can be sensitive. And the mobbing angle as well... one person telling another he's wrong can be enough... we don't all need to pile on.

These are things we tend to do without even thinking, like fishes in water. And we don't really need to change, maybe just be a bit more considerate of whom we are addressing?

Edit PS: Want to point out the jokes in the thread are fine. I'm smiling along :)
Post edited March 08, 2016 by Brasas
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dtgreene: The way I see it, this community should be a welcoming community. We should be accepting of other users, regardless of race, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, and a whole bunch of factors that are too numerous to enumerate in full here. In particular, we should not make posts that make certain classes of people uncomfortable.

In particular, if, say, Zoe Quinn were to make an account here and post, she should be respected like any other poster. It's OK to criticize her ideas, but we should not be making personal attacks on her. Similarly, it is OK to criticize the Feminist Frequency videos (but make sure you at least watch the video or read the transcript), but it is not OK to make personal attacks on the maker of those videos.

Also, there are some terms that, simply put, are offensive and should not be used. (Note, however, the use-mention distinction; It is OK to mention the words as long as you don't actually invoke the meaning of said words.)

Another thing: Downrating should only be done to posts that detract from the conversation, are offensive, or are otherwise problematic. In particular, disagreement with the context of the post is not a good enough reason to click the "-" button.
Heh. Almost the most reasonable post in this thread and downvoted to hell by stupid leftist SJW-s. Fuck me, I hope my countries people wonä' turn into this kind of carebear faggots who downvote reason.
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Brasas: Now let's take it to the next level. Given the existence of different sets of preferences: A wants community to be X. B wants community to be Y. What kind of meta level "rules" help coexistence and avoiding "conflict" aka: interminable arguments
Honestly, I think a systematic rule of preventing one from posting in the same topic more than, say, 2 times a day (or within some other arbitrary timespan) would help alleviate a lot back and forths, and consequently, calm a lot of heated discussions down. I always had issues letting some debates go, but when I then look back at them, I can seen ways in which I could have handled them better - I think such rule, either hard-coded or enforced by community, would actually lead to better discussion boards in general. But I have never seen this implemented and I might be talking out of my ass.
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dtgreene: The way I see it, this community should be a welcoming community. We should be accepting of other users, regardless of race, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, and a whole bunch of factors that are too numerous to enumerate in full here. In particular, we should not make posts that make certain classes of people uncomfortable.

In particular, if, say, Zoe Quinn were to make an account here and post, she should be respected like any other poster. It's OK to criticize her ideas, but we should not be making personal attacks on her. Similarly, it is OK to criticize the Feminist Frequency videos (but make sure you at least watch the video or read the transcript), but it is not OK to make personal attacks on the maker of those videos.

Also, there are some terms that, simply put, are offensive and should not be used. (Note, however, the use-mention distinction; It is OK to mention the words as long as you don't actually invoke the meaning of said words.)

Another thing: Downrating should only be done to posts that detract from the conversation, are offensive, or are otherwise problematic. In particular, disagreement with the context of the post is not a good enough reason to click the "-" button.
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dewtech: Heh. Almost the most reasonable post in this thread and downvoted to hell by stupid leftist SJW-s. Fuck me, I hope my countries people wonä' turn into this kind of carebear faggots who downvote reason.
I think dtgreene got downvoted because he's a broken record who can't stay within gamergate thread and has to pollute every other thread he touches.
Post edited March 08, 2016 by Mr.Caine
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Brasas:
Humans are tribal animals. Maroon three humans on a remote island and two of them will form a faction against the third because they disagree on how a coconut is best opened. Accept human nature!
Post edited March 08, 2016 by awalterj
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dtgreene: *baiting*
Look, I know you mean well, dude, but do you have to drag politics, race, sexuality, etc. into EVERYTHING? There's nothing wrong with you trying to make an argument, but can you PLEASE keep it to the political threads? We come to the forum to screw around and have fun, not to squabble over what's wrong with the world.

We're already accepting enough as it is, it's not exactly easy to discriminate against an avatar. You could be a hyper-intelligent cyborg axolotl in a dress for all I know, but as long as you can be a decent guy, I don't care. Welcome aboard. But if you're going to go around screaming "LOOK AT ME! I'M A HYPER-INTELLIGENT CYBORG AXOLOTL IN A DRESS! MY AMPHIBIOUS BRETHREN DEMAND TO BE NOTICED!", then yeah, we're gonna get sick of it.

We accept you just fine, you're a decent guy. In fact, we're fine with darn near everything about you EXCEPT this constant need to push LGBT and social justice issues in places it's completely irrelevant and nobody was even talking about that to begin with. If you're trying to raise awareness, do it in the appropriate place. We understand that these issues are present and we understand that the world isn't great and we understand that things need to change, but don't beat us over the head with it. If you want to make a thread dedicated to that, ok, fine. If you find a thread dedicated to that, ok, fine. But you bringing it up, no matter how subtly, at every given opportunity, is like trying to have a conversation with an overly-eager toothpaste salesman.
"Gee, the weather sure is nice today!"
"Yes, the sun's as bright as your teeth would be if you used Fresh N' Easy toothpaste!"

As far as making people uncomfortable goes and downvoting posts, yeah, dude, this is the internet. Not everybody's gonna be overly-sensitive to people and their feelings. Heck, few are gonna even be sensitive at ALL. Here's a fun experiment for you: Try making a social justice rant in 4chan! I'm sure you'd just LOVE the response you get! Or, oh wait, even better, a YouTube comment section! And on top of that, if you're worried about an imaginary number on a forum with only maybe a few hundred regular members, boy, have I got some bad news for you about life.


I don't normally respond to bait like this, but you seem to ignore REPEATED explanations of why you can be a problem sometimes and REPEATED requests of why we kindly want you to desist. Once again, I don't hate you, nor am I attempting to personally attack you. I just feel that you need to understand why people are upset with you time and time again and insist that you tone it down.


So, to summarize:
You're bait, even if you don't mean to be bait. Please stop.
And if you mean to be bait, get out.



We apologize for this rant of seriousness. We now return to our normally-scheduled zeogold.
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dewtech: Heh. Almost the most reasonable post in this thread and downvoted to hell by stupid leftist SJW-s. Fuck me, I hope my countries people wonä' turn into this kind of carebear faggots who downvote reason.
Pretty sure it's not the SJWs... I was disappointed to see Crosmando got downvoted, though at least with him I guess it's because he tends to be aggressive. With greene... well, I never thought repetition and being a broken record merits pushback. Heck... greene's quite on topic to say the least.
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dtgreene: snip
I liked most of your post, though I disagree with its conclusion. I don't think downrating should be done even to offensive or derailing posts.

As you see and are experiencing yourself, those are very subjective. Clearly some of those doing it to you are doing it because they think you are off topic and / or intentionally offensive.

I know Crosmando has thick skin, not sure about you. Truly sorry if you feel unwelcome.
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awalterj: Humans are tribal animals. Maroon three humans on a remote island and two of them will form a faction against the third because they disagree on how a coconut is best opened. Accept human nature!
It's also human nature to love. :)

I think we can discriminate and try to bring out the best in ourselves. I don't think we need (nor should) repress the animal to do so.
Post edited March 08, 2016 by Brasas
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Crosmando: How about you don't tell people how they should post, full stop.
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dewtech: Anarchy and self-regulation (eg. no SJW saying what I can say and what not; no butthurt people complaining and so on)
A bit recursive, no? "I wanna tell people that they shouldn't tell people what to say"

Anyway, I'd considering starting a debate about netiquite and such here, so interesting topic. But slightly non-sober, so maybe I should STFU a bit.
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dewtech: Anarchy and self-regulation (eg. no SJW saying what I can say and what not; no butthurt people complaining and so on)
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KasperHviid: A bit recursive, no? "I wanna tell people that they shouldn't tell people what to say"

Anyway, I'd considering starting a debate about netiquite and such here, so interesting topic. But slightly non-sober, so maybe I should STFU a bit.
Nope, drunken posts are bests and most logical.

And I get your point, my point was that SJW commandoes shouldn't downvote people and have them banned (not happened here fortunately) because they say something they don't agree with. In battle truth is settled (heh arguing is awesome)
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dtgreene: *baiting*
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zeogold: *more stuff*
Can you come up with a recent example (say, within the last 7 days) of what you are complaining about?

Also, I would prefer if you wouldn't call me a "dude".
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zeogold: *more stuff*
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dtgreene: Can you come up with a recent example (say, within the last 7 days) of what you are complaining about?

Also, I would prefer if you wouldn't call me a "dude".
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/what_kind_of_community_do_we_want/post28

done

you really do make this easy
or are you really this oblivious ...dude ?
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Brasas: Now let's take it to the next level. Given the existence of different sets of preferences: A wants community to be X. B wants community to be Y. What kind of meta level "rules" help coexistence and avoiding "conflict" aka: interminable arguments
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Fenixp: Honestly, I think a systematic rule of preventing one from posting in the same topic more than, say, 2 times a day (or within some other arbitrary timespan) would help alleviate a lot back and forths, and consequently, calm a lot of heated discussions down. I always had issues letting some debates go, but when I then look back at them, I can seen ways in which I could have handled them better - I think such rule, either hard-coded or enforced by community, would actually lead to better discussion boards in general. But I have never seen this implemented and I might be talking out of my ass.
The problem is that such a rule would work poorly in less controversial topics, like topics about the gameplay of a particular game. For example, if it's a topic about the game mechanics, why shouldn't I (or any other user) be allowed to post new discoveries as I find them?

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dtgreene: Can you come up with a recent example (say, within the last 7 days) of what you are complaining about?

Also, I would prefer if you wouldn't call me a "dude".
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snowkatt: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/what_kind_of_community_do_we_want/post28

done

you really do make this easy
or are you really this oblivious ...dude ?
This example was completely on topic. Also, I made a request about how I like to (not) be addressed, and I would like you to please follow it, as it is rude to address somebody the wrong way.
Post edited March 08, 2016 by dtgreene
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dewtech: Heh. Almost the most reasonable post in this thread and downvoted to hell by stupid leftist SJW-s. Fuck me, I hope my countries people wonä' turn into this kind of carebear faggots who downvote reason.
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Mr.Caine: I think dtgreene got downvoted because he's a broken record who can't stay within gamergate thread and has to pollute every other thread he touches.
so nothing new then
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Fenixp: Honestly, I think a systematic rule of preventing one from posting in the same topic more than, say, 2 times a day (or within some other arbitrary timespan) would help alleviate a lot back and forths, and consequently, calm a lot of heated discussions down. I always had issues letting some debates go, but when I then look back at them, I can seen ways in which I could have handled them better - I think such rule, either hard-coded or enforced by community, would actually lead to better discussion boards in general. But I have never seen this implemented and I might be talking out of my ass.
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dtgreene: The problem is that such a rule would work poorly in less controversial topics, like topics about the gameplay of a particular game. For example, if it's a topic about the game mechanics, why shouldn't I (or any other user) be allowed to post new discoveries as I find them?

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snowkatt: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/what_kind_of_community_do_we_want/post28

done

you really do make this easy
or are you really this oblivious ...dude ?
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dtgreene: This example was completely on topic. Also, I made a request about how I like to (not) be addressed, and I would like you to please follow it, as it is rude to address somebody the wrong way.
like i said dude
totally oblivious dude and you cant keep your politics out of topics dude
it gets on peoples nerves dude
and its gets grating dude

just like me calling you dude dude
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snowkatt: just like me calling you dude dude
flamedog, I already told you not to call me that. Just stop.

(See, how do *you* feel like being called the wrong name?)