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Matruchus: if I might say its only 15mb in size.
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jamyskis: Are you sure about that?

Also, that's risen to over 143,000K since I grabbed that screen.
Well the program size is 15mb but what it needs in ram is a different thing. But reasonably 190mb ram for a running program these days is nothing.
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Matruchus: The problem is that your game license will be invalid - the same as when steam goes bust no difference there. Yes you will have the game but you won't officialy own it anymore if gog is not there.
Nope.
Even if GOG doesn't have the license to distribute the game anymore or ceases to exist I can still use the game I bought legally. It works just like a physical copy in that way. And that's one of the differences between GOG and Steam.
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epain: GOG offers downloadable files that you can store forever on your harddrive, requiring no client to ever install them.
GOG can shutdown tomorrow and I can still play and install my games on a virtual machine 50 years from now.

This won't be possible with Steam, as Steam will eventually cease to exist, or cease to be compatible.

Hence Steam is a form of DRM, and GOG is not.
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Matruchus: The problem is that your game license will be invalid - the same as when steam goes bust no difference there. Yes you will have the game but you won't officialy own it anymore if gog is not there.
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Piranjade: I have a few games on Steam but never learned all the functions offered there. It's all just so annoying with the auto-updates and stuff. I'd also presume that even if I could back.up a steam game I would need to be online to install it and get it to run? That's not good enough for me.
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Matruchus: You just go in to the steam library right click on the game name and click backup game :)
Huh since when are game licenses bound by time if not especially mentioned somewhere ?

By that logic i would have to destroy my discs if a publisher i bought them off goes bust.
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JudasIscariot: Have you tried downloading the game with our Downloader?
DId try GOG's downloader (having avoided it up till now) and it crashed after requesting numerous system and security permissions (loading 2 drivers and opening a port). For a downloader, that's rather excessive and the .NET Framework requirement (adding 1.5MB bloat to the Windows registry) adds insult to injury for those of use who like to keep clean systems.

However the modified (and functional) links above should prove that the problem is with the GOG accounts page - hope they're fixed soon.
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Matruchus: This is Larians statement on the Kickstarter page about drm: No. The box version will not have DRM. The http://gog.com/ version and the version of http://larianvault.com/ will not have DRM. The Steam version will not have keys to fill in or forms to fill out.
Larian's most relevant statements can be found and [url=https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/larianstudios/divinity-original-sin/comments?cursor=6962370#comment-6962369]here.

Basically, unless you replied to Larian's email to request a Steam-free version on DVD, then the DVD version you receive will require a Steam account for an update. And yes, this does qualify as DRM since you won't be able to update if Valve have banned your account. Essentially the DRM is on Valve's side and Larian have chosen to link into that, rather than doing the obvious and sensible thing of providing a patch page (like they've done for previous games) allowing backers to download and store patches for later use offline.
Post edited July 01, 2014 by AstralWanderer
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Piranjade: I have a few games on Steam but never learned all the functions offered there. It's all just so annoying with the auto-updates and stuff. I'd also presume that even if I could back.up a steam game I would need to be online to install it and get it to run? That's not good enough for me.
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Matruchus: You just go in to the steam library right click on the game name and click backup game :)
And then? Can I use that back-up while being offline? Can I install the game without Steam?
If not, that back-up is worthless to me.
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Matruchus: You just go in to the steam library right click on the game name and click backup game :)
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Piranjade: And then? Can I use that back-up while being offline? Can I install the game without Steam?
If not, that back-up is worthless to me.
Good question will try it out and let you know. But the thing is steam does not backup installers it backs up the whole game you have installed through steam.
Post edited July 01, 2014 by Matruchus
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Piranjade: And then? Can I use that back-up while being offline? Can I install the game without Steam?
If not, that back-up is worthless to me.
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Matruchus: Good question will try it out and let you know. But the thing is steam does not backup installers it backs up the whole game you have installed through steam.
And that's not what I want nor what I need. I want and need the installer. GOG gives me that. Steam doesn't.
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Piranjade: I have a few games on Steam but never learned all the functions offered there. It's all just so annoying with the auto-updates and stuff. I'd also presume that even if I could back.up a steam game I would need to be online to install it and get it to run? That's not good enough for me.
That's right. It doesn't matter if you have the files neatly backed up. Should the game have Steamworks or CEG, if you click the game.exe to run, from any folder where you put all game files into, the game will refuse to start and throw up an error. You'd need to install the Steam client and authenticate it.

In that case, the back-up is simply useless, as I can't play the back-up!
Post edited July 01, 2014 by Nicole28
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Matruchus: Good question will try it out and let you know. But the thing is steam does not backup installers it backs up the whole game you have installed through steam.
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Piranjade: And that's not what I want nor what I need. I want and need the installer. GOG gives me that. Steam doesn't.
Ah, well. As I said its your decision and most of the games will never come to gog and that is a fact as long as statements from AAA developers about drm generating profits hold.
So...since I was last here...I had breakfast...went to work..worked all day....dropped the car off with the missus....caught the bus home...had a shower...ate dinner.

Sat down..and...

...we're still coming soon.

This soon sucks.
We'll find out in about 15minutes.. isnt it new release day?
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Icinix: So...since I was last here...I had breakfast...went to work..worked all day....dropped the car off with the missus....caught the bus home...had a shower...ate dinner.

Sat down..and...

...we're still coming soon.

This soon sucks.
Coming soon on August 31th actually just that you know :)
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Piranjade: I have a few games on Steam but never learned all the functions offered there. It's all just so annoying with the auto-updates and stuff. I'd also presume that even if I could back.up a steam game I would need to be online to install it and get it to run? That's not good enough for me.
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Nicole28: That's right. It doesn't matter if you have the files neatly backed up. Should the game have Steamworks or CEG, if you click the game.exe to run, from any folder where you put all game files into, the game will refuse to start and throw up an error. You'd need to install the Steam client and authenticate it.

In that case, the back-up is simply useless, as I can't play the back-up!
Well yeah anything that requires steam will not run without steam, and any game like that is definitely by definition DRMed.

The question is more if you can backup games that are fully functional without steam where steam is basically just the downloader, i think dungeons of dredmore was one of those.
There's only a handful at best I'd say anyways.
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Matruchus: The problem is that your game license will be invalid - the same as when steam goes bust no difference there. Yes you will have the game but you won't officialy own it anymore if gog is not there.
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Piranjade: Nope.
Even if GOG doesn't have the license to distribute the game anymore or ceases to exist I can still use the game I bought legally. It works just like a physical copy in that way. And that's one of the differences between GOG and Steam.
True story - I've taken to adding burnt DVDs and USB Sticks of GOG downloads to original boxed copies of games.

That way when the zombie apocalypse comes - I'll be able to install and game on the go!