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Elmofongo: I am a level 20 warrior that never used magic with normal plate armor and Griswalds is not selling any premium armor.
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AFnord: There is your problem. Even as a warrior, you should be using at least some magic. Also, make sure to have a ranged weapon with you, as those are quite handy for things that you don't want to fight up close & personal.
Well no need, since appearently I managed to get a helmet that changes everything, now the blood knights are more easier, now next stop is Diablo himself :P


Is he hard?
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AFnord: There is your problem. Even as a warrior, you should be using at least some magic. Also, make sure to have a ranged weapon with you, as those are quite handy for things that you don't want to fight up close & personal.
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Elmofongo: Well no need, since appearently I managed to get a helmet that changes everything, now the blood knights are more easier, now next stop is Diablo himself :P

Is he hard?
No. The boss before him is a lot harder.

I am a level 20 warrior that never used magic with normal plate armor and Griswalds is not selling any premium armor.
You're generally better off going with Arkaine's Valor unless you can find something really good. Faster hit recovery allows you to keep swinging even if you get hit. You'll blow through potions, but you'll win the fight.

As for magic, there are three really great spells for the warrior. They shouldn't be necessary, but they're really nice. The first is firewall, which is a practical way to corral fleeing monsters. Stone curse is by far your most dangerous spell, turning powerful enemies to rubble when paired with a few swift attacks. If you can get somehow get a massive boost to your magic score, teleport is absolutely awesome for a warrior, but that's hard to hit the prerequisites.

I think your problem is that you are playing on Hell
I suspect he's not on Hell difficulty, but rather referring to the level 13-16 dungeon tileset. It's a common beginner mistake. Even ignoring the difficulty of attempting hell difficulty directly, the amount of XP given out in hell difficulty means he'd be well above level 20 before even finishing the catacombs.

No. The boss before him is a lot harder.
Disagree; so long as you don't stand still and get nuked by the bajillion spellcaster enemies standing nearby (take cover) the penultimate boss is actually incredibly fragile and easily slain. Just don't stand in the open, the fight's not that hard.

The key difference with Diablo is that he can do things that previous fights cannot. He has a ranged attack that can hit you from well over a screen length away that's effectively impossible to dodge, he's immune to any spell effect that isn't damage, and he's not dependent on his minions for his difficulty. This means that players who utilize range, cover, and stealth to pick apart stronger groups of enemies will find their normal strategies useless against Diablo, making him by far the most deadly enemy they will encounter. On the other hand, people who grind for superior gear and levels to power through rooms full of Diablo's elite minions will find that big D himself isn't scary.

I tend to tackle Diablo around level 21-23.
Post edited April 23, 2013 by Darvin
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tinyE: I think your problem is that you are playing on Hell. XD
I'm quite positive that he meant the last area, not the difficulty level. Also in Diablo 1 the higher levels are only accessible in multiplayer and after reaching certain XP levels.
(not counting the expansion pack Hellfire)
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JMich: Didn't Diablo 1 offer you the option of starting a new game with the same character? Thus allowing you to keep items and experience, while grinding from the start again, for better items?
IIRC that method isn't very helpful. You will again have to fight all the way through the upper levels, fighting low level monsters not worth any XP and not loosing any notable loot. And unless you're playing Hellfire you can't even increase the difficulty to keep the XP coming.

Also: apparently playing the game alone in multiplayer mode makes more sense than singleplayer (a discovery I made far too late). That way it basically works like D2, only that there's no chest and you can instantly access all areas (at least I was instantly able to enter hell with a level 1 character). But at least you get to increase the difficulty level eventually while playing singleplayer two times in a row is perfectly pointless. The only reason why I don't regret playing singleplayer recently is that MP is missing most quests.
Post edited April 23, 2013 by F4LL0UT
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tinyE: I think your problem is that you are playing on Hell. XD
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F4LL0UT: I'm quite positive that he meant the last area, not the difficulty level. Also in Diablo 1 the higher levels are only accessible in multiplayer and after reaching certain XP levels.
(not counting the expansion pack Hellfire)
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JMich:
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F4LL0UT:
It has been too long since I played that game. I do remember the first time I ever played it thinking there was a huge bug because no matter what I did I couldn't even begin to put up a fight against the Butcher, and he was the FIRST boss.
Post edited April 23, 2013 by tinyE
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Elmofongo: Well no need, since appearently I managed to get a helmet that changes everything, now the blood knights are more easier, now next stop is Diablo himself :P

Is he hard?
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AFnord: No. The boss before him is a lot harder.
And I beat him no problem, Archbishop Lazarus, but Diablo's level is full of fireball throwing Advocate's :P

I do remember the first time I ever played it thinking there was a huge bug because no matter what I did I couldn't even begin to put up a fight against the Butcher, and he was the FIRST boss.
The Butcher was just a bit too powerful for where they put him. He belonged on level 4 given his strength level.
but Diablo's level is full of fireball throwing Advocate's :P
Those are nasty if they hit you, but they're easy to dodge. Since you lack magic, your only options are to use a bow or else to apply patience and caution to pick them off.
Post edited April 23, 2013 by Darvin
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tinyE: It has been too long since I played that game. I do remember the first time I ever played it thinking there was a huge bug because no matter what I did I couldn't even begin to put up a fight against the Butcher, and he was the FIRST boss.
Lol, yeah, I think everyone remembers being butchered by the Butcher. If it makes you feel better: even among D1 hardcore fans the Butcher seems to be (in)famous for his ridiculous strength (considering how early he appears). I never thought it was a bug or something but I remember dying dozens of times before I decided to go on, collect some XP and better items and then return to kick his butt.
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tinyE: It has been too long since I played that game. I do remember the first time I ever played it thinking there was a huge bug because no matter what I did I couldn't even begin to put up a fight against the Butcher, and he was the FIRST boss.
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F4LL0UT: Lol, yeah, I think everyone remembers being butchered by the Butcher. If it makes you feel better: even among D1 hardcore fans the Butcher seems to be (in)famous for his ridiculous strength (considering how early he appears). I never thought it was a bug or something but I remember dying dozens of times before I decided to go on, collect some XP and better items and then return to kick his butt.
The butcher was not all that bad for the rogue, but for the other two characters, yes, he was too powerful. Too sturdy for the mage to reliably beat, and he deals too much damage for the warrior.
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F4LL0UT: Lol, yeah, I think everyone remembers being butchered by the Butcher. If it makes you feel better: even among D1 hardcore fans the Butcher seems to be (in)famous for his ridiculous strength (considering how early he appears). I never thought it was a bug or something but I remember dying dozens of times before I decided to go on, collect some XP and better items and then return to kick his butt.
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AFnord: The butcher was not all that bad for the rogue, but for the other two characters, yes, he was too powerful. Too sturdy for the mage to reliably beat, and he deals too much damage for the warrior.
I BEAT DIABLO 1!!!!!

Yeah their were tough moments, but this is the easiest old school CRPG I have ever played in the sense that its easy to pick up and play and while there is strategy by funneling enemies in the door so you can kill them one by one and such etc. its not that deep when it comes to strategy (I was only the Warrior)

All in all one old school CRPG out of the way next is Diablo 2, than Ultima, than Might and Magic, than Bard's Tale, than Fallout, than D&D RPGs, then Daggerfall and Morrowind. (mabye Wizardry aswell if I have to)
The only thing I remember from Diablo is that I got my ass kicked multiple times during the final fight, until I equipped a really fast blue war axe and went straight for Diablo himself. It didn't take long to beat him. Good times. :)
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Elmofongo: what the fuck am I supposed to do :(
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JMich: Didn't Diablo 1 offer you the option of starting a new game with the same character? Thus allowing you to keep items and experience, while grinding from the start again, for better items?
Also, did you check if Wirt is selling anything interesting? Even if it does cost a leg to buy the stuff there...
A.K.A. The Ring of the Zodiac.
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F4LL0UT: Lol, yeah, I think everyone remembers being butchered by the Butcher. If it makes you feel better: even among D1 hardcore fans the Butcher seems to be (in)famous for his ridiculous strength (considering how early he appears). I never thought it was a bug or something but I remember dying dozens of times before I decided to go on, collect some XP and better items and then return to kick his butt.
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AFnord: The butcher was not all that bad for the rogue, but for the other two characters, yes, he was too powerful. Too sturdy for the mage to reliably beat, and he deals too much damage for the warrior.
He's not bad a s a mage either. If you find a room with grating you're all set as long as you have your spark throwing staff and maybe a firewall spell. Just make sure to be in the room and close the door behind you.

Did someone order grilled Butcher ?
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Tizzysawr: Then again, once I did get to Diablo I kind of killed it without any issue, on first try, and barely noticing that monster WAS diablo. Talk about anticlimatic...
I remember reading somewhere that, initially, there was supposed to be a time limit in the singleplayer campaign, and if this time limit ran out, Diablo would get a lot more powerful. I have no idea how much truth is to that or what exactly would 'more powerful' mean, but I would have kind of liked that while playing the game. But yes, I know most people probably think time limits are an invention of devil himself (hehehe)
Post edited April 24, 2013 by Fenixp
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Elmofongo: All in all one old school CRPG out of the way next is Diablo 2, than Ultima, than Might and Magic, than Bard's Tale, than Fallout, than D&D RPGs, then Daggerfall and Morrowind. (mabye Wizardry aswell if I have to)
Diablo was the start of a new wave of CRPGs, where they focused less on character building and more on action. That is probably why you find out easier.

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silviucc: He's not bad a s a mage either. If you find a room with grating you're all set as long as you have your spark throwing staff and maybe a firewall spell. Just make sure to be in the room and close the door behind you.

Did someone order grilled Butcher ?
True. When I played as a mage I did not find such a place, and I ran out of mana & charges in my staff, so he was a tad bit tricky to beat. I ended up wasting a lot of money on mana potions just to be able to beat him.