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Posted October 20, 2012
Is X game that sold a billion copies good or not? Let's discuss it endlessly!
Posted October 20, 2012
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StingingVelvet: Is X game that sold a billion copies good or not? Let's discuss it endlessly!
hehehe, good point
Posted October 20, 2012
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Fenixp: snip
Agree with most of the stuff, I'd add that the game had an amazing atmosphere, though. I enjoyed the lower pace as in return the game was rather rewarding for people who liked exploring the levels. There'd be a decent amount of nice details to discover, lots of secret areas etc.. On my first attempt I was also disappointed by the rather basic and slow gameplay but on my second approach I really started appreciating the game's world and atmosphere. I think it's something that people don't appreciate enough, they only judge the game by how little it has to do with the previous id games. Although actually I always felt that Doom 3 had a lot in common with the Quake 2 campaign.
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Posted October 20, 2012
welllllll fuck.

I should have bought the doom pack a few months ago when it was on sale but I was considering just getting BFG edition for a console since there's no chance in hell my laptop could run it

I mainly just want to play doom 1 and 2. :(
Posted October 20, 2012
NO, did not pre-order Doom 3 BFG (PC).
NO, have not purchased Doom 3 BFG (PC) yet .

Will I buy BFG?
Possibly - when it gets a MAJOR Steam sale or some kind of digital distribution sale.

I do have Doom Collector's Ed from Retail (with Ultimate Doom 1, Doom 2 + Final Doom); Doom 3 + ROE expansion from Retail.

My thoughts on the original Doom 3 - good, but nothing great. I really should some time play ROE - who knows why I never really played much of ROE.
Posted October 20, 2012
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StingingVelvet: Is X game that sold a billion copies good or not? Let's discuss it endlessly!
It was... ok. Even vanilla without any duct-tape mod.

This seems to apply to many other billion-sellers too, e.g. Halo 1-2. They are... ok, I think. I don't regret buying and playing them.
Posted October 20, 2012
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StingingVelvet: Is X game that sold a billion copies good or not? Let's discuss it endlessly!
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timppu: It was... ok. Even vanilla without any duct-tape mod. This seems to apply to many other billion-sellers too, e.g. Halo 1-2. They are... ok, I think. I don't regret buying and playing them.
I didn't think Halo 1 PC was that great, either. Sure, the variety the first few hours had was great, but the rest of the game AFTER The Flood happened was so all over the place - didn't care much for the backtracking; some of the copy & pasted levels (see indoors areas w/ The Monitor); and the battles w/ The Flood itself. Thorw on top of it that the game back then performed poorly on my system (and many others, for that matter) - Halo 1 PC was very disappointing.

Oddly enough, I never bought Halo 2 PC.

I'd still love to see Microsoft bring Halo 3; Halo: ODST, Halo: Reach; upcoming Halo 4; and all of those games over to the PC.
While I'm at it - I'd love Fable 2; and Gears 2, 3, and upcoming Gears: Judgement ALL brought over to my PC.
Posted October 20, 2012
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Red_Avatar: Even id Software admitted that they were seriously limited by their engine - they admitted that they had to make the flashlight a separate weapon due to performance issues and only did it after exhausting all other options. They also admitted that larger rooms were just not possible for the same reason and that they couldn't add more monsters, again, for that reason. They basically admitted the game was crippled.
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F4LL0UT: I have a hard time believing it. I don't see how "flashlight + gun" is eating more of the performance than just either. Mods that were released shortly after the game's release added guns with flashlights, maps with higher enemy counts and bigger outdoor areas - they stressed all the supposed weaknesses of the engine and the game ran just fine even on my dated machine, at least not notably worse than the original campaign. Mods proved early on that the technology was perfectly capable of handling the gameplay the fans were actually expecting from Doom 3. I also read in the press that self-shadowing was removed due to performance issues but it could be easily activated with a simple console command. It didn't harm the performance much, it only looked awful. I always felt like many unpopular design choices made in Doom 3 were justified with made-up technical limitations for some reason.
You do realise they had to release this game for Xbox as well, right? The Xbox seriously struggled with Doom 3 and still looked horrible but my bet is that they didn't want the Xbox and PC versions to play too differently.

And this came straight from an interview with Carmack about the release of BFG so you may not want to believe it, but it's his words, not mine (and no, I can't find the interview - I forgot which site it was on).
Posted October 20, 2012
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Fenixp: snip
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F4LL0UT: . Although actually I always felt that Doom 3 had a lot in common with the Quake 2 campaign.
That makes sense. They both had the same lead designer, Tim Willits.
Posted October 20, 2012
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mrcrispy83: I mainly just want to play doom 1 and 2. :(
You're much better off using a source port for the early games. Just download ZDoom or one of the other ports (they're all free). At that point, the only thing you'll need are the original doom.wad and doom2.wad files, which can be acquired from a variety of sources. *cough* Most of the ports can also run Heretic, Hexen, and even Strife, so you can get compatibility and improved play out of those games too.
Posted October 20, 2012
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Red_Avatar: And this came straight from an interview with Carmack about the release of BFG so you may not want to believe it, but it's his words, not mine (and no, I can't find the interview - I forgot which site it was on).
I would bet money that's their excuse now because so many loud people hated the mechanic.
Posted October 20, 2012
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mrcrispy83: I mainly just want to play doom 1 and 2. :(
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bevinator: You're much better off using a source port for the early games. Just download ZDoom or one of the other ports (they're all free). At that point, the only thing you'll need are the original doom.wad and doom2.wad files, which can be acquired from a variety of sources. *cough* Most of the ports can also run Heretic, Hexen, and even Strife, so you can get compatibility and improved play out of those games too.
I'm just wondering if there are any particularly recommended source ports for these games. The Doom games, Heretic and Hexen.
Posted October 20, 2012
I loved the original DOOM games and like some others I have the DOOM Collectors Edition CD with Ultimate DOOM, DOOM II, and FInal DOOM.

I'd love to try out Doom 3 even though I heard it wasn't great, just to see how it was for myself because in situations like this I don't always trust what others say or prefer to err on the side of disbelief.

However, I see no point in buying the BFG edition for around $30. The whole censorship issue leaves me very dissatisfied, plus I don't see the point in paying so much for a digital copy of the game when some of the extras I already own. Now, if they had a really nice sale on Doom 3 + Expansion, I'd consider looking into it.

..actually, thinking about it, I wonder if my cousin has a copy of that somewhere.
Posted October 20, 2012
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HiroshiMishima: The whole censorship issue leaves me very dissatisfied
Do we know exactly what has been censored yet?
Posted October 20, 2012
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korell: I'm just wondering if there are any particularly recommended source ports for these games. The Doom games, Heretic and Hexen.
Well, I really liked Doomsday engine. It can run Doom, Heretic/Hexen and offsprings.
You can even load 3d models. Great stuff.
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