How is this role-fishing? We already know his role.
I was just wondering because I read Zchinque's game on MGSalvation and one player had this role. He lost one vote each day. And while roosh used it outright first day and is reluctant with it today I wondered if this is the same case.

And you just gave away how it's rolefishing. You wanted to know if he'd be a pain in the ass all game long with his double votes.

How is this information dangerous for town and benefit for mafia? You really think it's pain in the ass for mafia?
I think you overestimate power of this role. Most of lynches, from what I have seen so far, are mislynches and so it is much more propable to misfire. It is propably powerful in end game but I don't think day 2 is end game. Also anyway I think we would find soon whether he still has 2 votes or not as I doubt he would keep it hidden until end game when he outed it in first hours of game. Therefore, as I am curious person, I saw nothing wrong with asking this question.

However we should get some action, 8 posts in last 24 hours made by 4 people are not enough in my opinion.

P.S. Can anyone tell me what OMGUS mean?

Thanks.
I wouldn't be able to figure it out. :-)
I wonder who makes these abbreviations.

It's hardly rolefishing to check a claimed role, just like I'm going to do in the other game now, more like trying to eliminate other possible sources of doublevotes. How is it role fishing when Roosh alresdy claimed his role, unless you somehow know something about the role that Vitek doesn't and don't want him to find out about?

It's an extremely common play in subsequent days to verify the integrity of the claim. I'm sure Vitek wasn't the only one that noticed Roosh only laid one of his two votes today so far (I did as well when noting my vote wasn't in there, but assumed both votes didn't automatically apply to a player if Roosh just voted once), and while that probably means nothing, it doesn't hurt to try to confirm the role and make sure it wasn't due to some other reason.

Trying to buddy up to the double voter much?

Sorry for not participating, real life caught up with me, but it should get better next week. Have we already heard from everyone on day two? We seem to be stalling here.

There are a few things I have to go through more carefully, but until then, my vote stands.

Agree, don't really see this as rolefishing, especially as we all know Roosh has a power role - although Viteks given explanation that the power role loses one vote each day, as he had seen elsewhere, doesnt hold up much as it would mean Roosh 's ability was essentially a one-shot day with two votes, and I can't believe anyone would use that up on the first day.

Although Ghost is becoming less coherent, I still think she doing too much chucking about of accusations to be anything other than town. The suspect-o-meter has risen in her regard though, I have to admit.

I've just had a complete read through of the thread (yup, im that sad) and i still cant get over the fact that out of the 7 that voted for Damnation, I'm pretty sure that 5 are town. 4 definite - Roosh (doublevote), nMillar (dead), Damnation (dead), and me (let me just check.....yup, I'm town..;o)

For reasons stated above , I'm sticking with Ghost as town, which leaves Orryrro and Jesskitten.

Im currently on Orryrro, but Jesskitten is definitely peaking my interests. Just a little bit more aggressive than you have been in past games, and I DO believe it was a slip when you suggested the Orryrro check.

I actually believe you are both scum, Orryrro and Jesskitten. I'm leaving my vote on Orryrro, but the case is strong for both of you.

@Robb

I answered the call for the Orry check right in #244.
What is your comment on the logic I use there?

To recap
- The call was done after, and only because, Damnation had claimed scum.
- Since Damnation eventually flipped town, us being scum and 'setting up' to have a cop "investigate the godfather" is moot because we would never have been able to convince Damnation to set up Orry the way he did. The fact that Damnation named Orry as his innocent is what set off my radar (assuming he was scum and trying to mislead us) and that's why I suggested a check on him. To say after he flipped town that that was somehow a plan we concocted as Mafia, makes zero sense.
- I even explain that right in the post:

That is not a "slip". Do you even know what that term means in Mafia? It's when a Mafia member inadvertantly lets out more info that he should not have known, or contradicts himself or herself with something they said earlier. Neither of which apply here. All I did was state my confusion about Damnation's "declaration" and suggest a form of action based on the assumption that he was scum and meant what he said in a calculating move. Obviously when he flipped town none of that could be true anymore.

It's definitely a bit frustrating that so many people (at least, the active posters) are sheeping on me for such an obviously weak case and flawed logic. Where is the rest of the town? I wish I knew which of those that suspect me using that argument are scum, as there most definitely is some of that there that like poisoning the waters but without actually voting. So many people are taking the easy way out and just agreeing with a dominant opinion (not necessarily you since you give an extra opinion, but in general) to look townie.

It was game modded by Zchinque that's why I even thought about it. There were differences but I just wondered. (and also wanted to show I read Zchinques game :-)) It was not one-shot ability. The player with this ability had 3 votes on day one, 2 on day 2 and only 1 afterwards.

I think Robbeasy has a good point about the votes on Damnation. Of those voters I would say Ive got suspicions against Orryrro and Robbeasy.

Robbeasy, when you voted for Damn, the only reason you gave was putting pressure on him. That might be a reason to vote generally, but suspicious to put someone on at L-1 (or at least what you thought was L-1).

Orryrro, you're overall posting pattern for this game gives me the impression of someone trying to stay under the radar and not implicate themselves. Youve made mostly very short posts and only occasionally pointed out suspicions against anyone. You also tend to slip things like "I suspect everyone" or "I dont have enough to go on," into your posts. It seems to me like your trying to avoid being connected with anyone specific, which would be advantageous for a mafia member in the event their scumbuddy was lynched.

Furhtermore, even though JessKitten can defend trying to point the cop at you, it seems more suspicious for you to second it as you inherently gain no information as a result of that action. The only thing you could gain was credibility if you are in fact a godfather.

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Okay, still busy, still can't post a lot here, but I'm going to reiterate the case against Jesskitten considering the Jess+Orryyrro mafia team, because it seems like Jess is purposely misunderstanding and twisting words. (Clearly a scummy thing to do.)

It is not that Jess and Orryyrro worked with Damnation, it is that they saw a situation they could use to their advantage, and milked it for all it was worth. They realized this could be used to cement their perceived innocence but did not realize that they would be caught in the act.

The cop-request was a scummy thing to do, and not just because of the above. There's a second part to it: indirect rolefishing. How would the cop get his info to the town without giving himself away? Scumtell, big one, gaping hole in your logic there Jesskitten and I'm sure you both hoped no one would bring this one up.

Bring in your votes people, bring in your votes...

Wow... okay... you seem REALLY sure that Jess and Orryyrro are mafia teammates who planned the cop-request. Yes, okay I won't deny it - it could be true. However, I really have to say that it's kind of a flimsy argument on its own (the way that you presented it).

The first element is that when Orry requested the investigation upon himself, he COULD be a mafia member trying to clear his name because he knows he'll come up innocent. I agree, it certainly looks like a scummy action.

The second element is jess's request, which may or may not be out of genuine town interests. What's more likely, that she just said something like that out hoping to contribute, or that it's an elaborate scheme to benefit Orry?

In any case, it's really ORRYYRRO'S innocence on the line here, because given the nature of this accusation, jess's innocence depends on Orry's, does it not? If Orry is in fact a mafia, then there's an elevated chance that jess is. If Orry isn't, then this whole argument becomes invalid. So... WHY are you soooo interested in voting off jess, and not Orry?

I'm keeping my vote on Jess at this point mostly because I'm too busy to think too hard about changing it. I guess you could therefore also say my stance hasn't changed:

Prior to the massive inflow of work to sort through it was because I was trying to let up on the witch-hunt. Orryyrro caught enough flak from me first day (although mostly indirect) and I had failed with my lynch of Damnation so I felt it best to leave up on my last living target from that point, namely Orryyrro. I felt that if he needed lynched (which I thought he did and still do think he does) then the town would take care of that. I don't want to be the one leading the pack on this day, because I feel that my credibility has been damaged.

Honestly, due to work, I don't think I've been at all helped by my lack of proper posting on that front.

But now that you have me thinking -- why is it I am voting for Jess anyhow?

Jess says my credibility hasn't been damaged and that no one said that it was -- right after Baz expressed disappointment in me. Jess seems to be trying to lead a witch-hunt on me, following my ultra-aggressive lead after a very quiet and polite first day, a near-complete 180 in attitude as she herself said of me. Jess seems to be saying Orryyrro should be voted by me on one hand -- then on the other seems to say that Orryyrro seems town. Jess seems oddly irrational (on day 2) compared to other games, lashing out left and right at anyone who seems to fall foul of her theories with venom-filled posts.

Jess seems scummy.

Good news is this day has been merciful to me, so I could update my notes with the new developments. And there is something I want to say.

I believe I'm correct in saying the Orry-Jess conspiracy theory originates from me and post . To refresh your memories, I voted for Orry and only FoSed Jess there. And remember later on I openly admitted the whole thing was something of a long shot ([url=http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/gog_mafia_3_jacks_of_all_trades/post230]#230). What I wanted to do was grill Jess, simply because even though I have never been quite convinced this theory was correct, it was worth trying it out in case it was.

In other words, Jess' explanation about the cop thing seems plausible to me. Orry's, however, doesn't. And GoJays (http://www.gog.com/en/forum/general/gog_mafia_3_jacks_of_all_trades/post270]#270[/url]) is absolutely correct in saying Orry is the more important one of the two, anyway. This, however, does not mean I think Jess is clear of suspicion (no one is); before I leave her be for now, let me just point out one more of her sentences I just don't get (the underline is mine):

Why would the Mafia hesitate to believe him? They knew he was innocent and lying. It would be the most natural thing in the world for them to claim they believe him. I don't understand the reasoning here at all. Am I reading you correctly this time, Jess? Could you explain?

Anyway, with this, I think I have said all I wanted to re: the investigation request. There are other things to investigate now: expect another embarrassingly long post from me fairly soon.

My request was specifically in the case that Damnation was mafia, at which point me turning out innocent would have provided a lot of information, especially about the 2 people damnation named in his "confession" were I mafia I would have known Damnation was not and would not have had reason to request the cop.