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bazilisek: Why would the Mafia hesitate to believe him? They knew he was innocent and lying. It would be the most natural thing in the world for them to claim they believe him. I don't understand the reasoning here at all. Am I reading you correctly this time, Jess? Could you explain?
That's mostly true too, unless they were considering other cases (ie two teams of Mafia which they wouldn't know if it were ruled out on D1, or some sort of 3rd party role, or whatever). I was more thinking along the lines that since they knew he wasn't their Mafia, they'd hesitate because they'd be trying to figure out what he was trying to do by a) claiming Mafia, and b) naming his suspects, some of which may have been actual Mafia for all we know. They may have wanted to stall and keep him alive a bit longer to see what else he said, especially if they knew that part or all of his "confession" was a lie.

It seemed to me at the time that town would be the one that would be less likely to hesitate at his claim, because well, he claimed Mafia under pressure. Not remotely a townie thing to do at L-1/2, and it definitely was not a "trying to stay alive" gambit. Thus auto lynch.
Vote Count And how much time we got until its night?
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rooshandark8: Vote Count And how much time we got until its night?
There is currently no deadline in place for the day.

Tthe "Jack is a cocky khaki Kicky-Sack sock plucker" votecount

Orryyrro - 3 - Bazilisek, Robbeasy, Nazarush
GhostQlyph - 2- jesskitten, Orryyrro
Typhoon - 1 - Vitek

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
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Typhoon45: *snip*
*prod*

Hey, you! Post!
Post edited April 03, 2011 by Zchinque
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Nazarush: I think Robbeasy has a good point about the votes on Damnation. Of those voters I would say Ive got suspicions against Orryrro and Robbeasy.

Robbeasy, when you voted for Damn, the only reason you gave was putting pressure on him. That might be a reason to vote generally, but suspicious to put someone on at L-1 (or at least what you thought was L-1).
Yes - at the time I was fully behind Ghosts arguments and fully believed Damnation was Scum, a bit caught up in things i agree, i even got the count wrong didnt i?!

Also - I hadn't thought about the Damnation theory making me look suspicious tbh, but would I really keep pushing a theory that puts me in the frame if I was Mafia? Foolhardy at best I would think.

We never have a whole lot to go on in this game - I'm trying to get us moving forward and root out scum, with whatever theory. I'm not worried that said theory may implicate me in any way, because I know I'm Town.
I don't have the time to go into too much depth here, but here goes: I think it's about time to finally say who my other main suspect is. I was waiting for him to give me some more rope to hang him on, and I wasn't disappointed.

Robbeasy. Flippety flop, flippety flop.

His play throughout this game has been extremely simple and predictable: once someone comes up with a theory, support the theory. The longer the original post was, the better. So we get him blindly trusting Jess (#68, #88) or just as blindly trusting me -- at that time going very strongly against the very same Jess, if you remember (#216). Pretty much all of his posts do this, to a lesser or greater degree. Again, I don't really have the time to write a wall of text to support my claim, so please see for yourself and reach your own conclusions. It might be better that way, actually.

What pushed him over the line for me? This:

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Robbeasy: Robbeasy - Me! I'm Town, I know I'm town. (#234)
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Robbeasy: [...] and me (let me just check.....yup, I'm town..;o) (#265)
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Robbeasy: I'm not worried that said theory may implicate me in any way, because I know I'm Town. (#277)
Trying to hammer it into our heads much?

For completeness' sake, there is also some circumstantial evidence against him, but that is, as usual, pretty weak stuff: he was the first to be very uncomfortable with the doublevoter (#54), and prompted the whole Damnation madness with his vote miscount (#128) -- which admittedly could be an honest mistake. Perhaps some more, I forget.

All in all, I'm FoSing Robbeasy pretty hard. The Orry wagon seems dead in its tracks at this point, so this might very easily turn into a vote.
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bazilisek: I don't have the time to go into too much depth here, but here goes: I think it's about time to finally say who my other main suspect is. I was waiting for him to give me some more rope to hang him on, and I wasn't disappointed.

Robbeasy. Flippety flop, flippety flop.

His play throughout this game has been extremely simple and predictable: once someone comes up with a theory, support the theory. The longer the original post was, the better. So we get him blindly trusting Jess (#68, #88) or just as blindly trusting me -- at that time going very strongly against the very same Jess, if you remember (#216). Pretty much all of his posts do this, to a lesser or greater degree. Again, I don't really have the time to write a wall of text to support my claim, so please see for yourself and reach your own conclusions. It might be better that way, actually.

What pushed him over the line for me? This:

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Robbeasy: I'm not worried that said theory may implicate me in any way, because I know I'm Town. (#277)
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bazilisek: Trying to hammer it into our heads much?

For completeness' sake, there is also some circumstantial evidence against him, but that is, as usual, pretty weak stuff: he was the first to be very uncomfortable with the doublevoter (#54), and prompted the whole Damnation madness with his vote miscount (#128) -- which admittedly could be an honest mistake. Perhaps some more, I forget.

All in all, I'm FoSing Robbeasy pretty hard. The Orry wagon seems dead in its tracks at this point, so this might very easily turn into a vote.
'If someone comes up with a theory, support the theory.' Can you please point out in what way this is scummy? If I think the theory has merit then of course I'm going to support it , why not?!

As for the fact that I'm Blindly trusting Jess (#68, #88), then going against (#216) - you very conveniantly forget there was a mis-lynch between the two, throwing up lots of new information!!! To me, Jess has looked a lot more scummy since the day 1 mis-lynch! Your argument has no merit, sir.

As for the repeated 'I'm Towns' - again, how could this be implied as Scummy? I like the fact you also have other stuff that is 'pretty weak' - if you ask me , the weakest part of your whole argument is the 'he's repeatedly said 'im town' - therefore he must be scum' argument.

Utter piffle sir. I notice you also completely ignore the fact I've had my own theories and been happy to advance them for consideration - hardly the act of someone just following others and being 'blindly trusting' . The main reason I went with your post voting for Orry is because if fitted my own theory i was then formulating against Orry (#234).

The vote miscount - as i said at the time, it was a completely honest mistake. A genuine miscount, no ulterior motives at all.

First to be uncomfortable with the Doublevoter - what, first to point out he'd come out early and that might be a mistake??!! I would have though that was pretty obvious to all, it was hardly that I was 'uncomfortable' with it. In actual fact, knowing Roosh does have a double vote, and is more than likely Town, has been very informative and handy - analysis of the Damnation vote just being one case in point. At the time, I thought it was a mistake for him to claim doublevote, but so did everyone else - singling me out for a reason there?

To summarise - your 'evidence' is poor, the reasoning wrong, and I smell someone trying to turn attention away from Orryrro. You have just shot right up my scum list, from out of nowhere!!


A hysterical reaction, I like that. Go on.

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Robbeasy: To summarise - your 'evidence' is poor, the reasoning wrong, and I smell someone trying to turn attention away from Orryrro.
Actually, it was me who started the Orryrro wagon, remember?
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bazilisek: A hysterical reaction, I like that. Go on.

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Robbeasy: To summarise - your 'evidence' is poor, the reasoning wrong, and I smell someone trying to turn attention away from Orryrro.
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bazilisek: Actually, it was me who started the Orryrro wagon, remember?
Glad you posted, if only so I can say Grrrrrrrrr to the forum software - completely spammed my reply up, without being confused of double posting.

As for hysterical, in what way exactly is it hysterical? I think your reasoning is piffle, i call it so - hardly a hysterical reaction. Would you prefer I say nothing - ah no, then you would trot out the 'aha - staying quiet, must be guilty' line.

It was you who started the Orry wagon, but that doesnt necessarily mean anything - a classic Mafia trick is to start early on a fellow Mafia, then try to turn attention elsewhere later - that way if the original does get lynched and turns up Mafia, you can say 'actually , it was me who started the Orryrro wagon, remember?' and look clean as a whistle.
Okay. I'm not going to accuse JessKitten of anything right now, especially because I think that she has more than justified her previous actions. What interests me more is the "Godfather" aspect in the theory against Orryyrro. If we do have a Godfather on our hands, then him pushing for an investigation on himself would only boost his credibility. BUT, what if they had a "watcher" character? I know that it's far-fetched, but it could have been the Mafia looking for a cop by pushing for an investigation on a certain character, then targeting said character in an attempt to catch who paid him a visit.

Either way, I still don't feel like we have enough evidence against anyone that is solid enough to give reason for a lynch. Cool heads solve cool crimes, children. Lets not go nuts here!
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bazilisek: Actually, it was me who started the Orryrro wagon, remember?
Actually no, it was me, waaay the hell back on Day 1. I never quite let up off of that wagon either, just read through, Orryyrro's name pops up in the vast majority of my posts starting from my reaction-fisher that kicked off the Damnation fiasco.

You just drew attention to the fact that the sorely neglected Orryyrro wagon was in need of a push.

For the record: I'm fairly sure both Baz and Robbeasy are town.
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GhostQlyph: ...
For the record: I'm fairly sure both Baz and Robbeasy are town.
As sure as you were about Damnation? ;-)
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GhostQlyph: ...
For the record: I'm fairly sure both Baz and Robbeasy are town.
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Vitek: As sure as you were about Damnation? ;-)
I'm merely stating my current views.

Also, Jesskitten, that's more to prove my words don't hold much weight due to the mislynch.

And yet you still avoid commenting on that...
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bazilisek: A hysterical reaction, I like that. Go on.
Hmm, claiming someone's defense of themselves is hysterical. Does that sound familiar?

@Typhoon
Discounting RVS, all of your posts either say that you are to busy to post, or that you dont want to commit to anything because the evidence isnt concrete enough. Also, (again discounting RVS,) I dont believe you've placed a single vote. We're at 280+ posts now, care to take a stand?
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Nazarush: We're at 280+ posts now, care to take a stand?
Not particularly, no. This is Day 2. If I say that no one deserves a lynch yet, I'm sticking to it. That doesn't mean that I have no suspects, though.

About Orryyrro - See literally any other post in this entire thread. Every single possible complaint that could be imposed against the guy has been. By more than three people, too. That means that not only mafia can be leading this inquisition (assuming same ratio of Mafia/Town as in last game - you never know!). But that doesn't make him scum, and I'm not willing to lynch him at this point just because everyone else wants to. The only reason that I haven't fully decided either way is because I don't want someone voting right after me and lynching him before he can claim. A claim that I would like to hear (hint hint).
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Nazarush: We're at 280+ posts now, care to take a stand?
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Typhoon45: Not particularly, no. This is Day 2. If I say that no one deserves a lynch yet, I'm sticking to it. That doesn't mean that I have no suspects, though.

About Orryyrro - See literally any other post in this entire thread. Every single possible complaint that could be imposed against the guy has been. By more than three people, too. That means that not only mafia can be leading this inquisition (assuming same ratio of Mafia/Town as in last game - you never know!). But that doesn't make him scum, and I'm not willing to lynch him at this point just because everyone else wants to. The only reason that I haven't fully decided either way is because I don't want someone voting right after me and lynching him before he can claim. A claim that I would like to hear (hint hint).
I would say you are role fishing, also, it's funny how you post whenever someone brings up that you aren't posting much even if they don't quote you, but you don't post at any other times.