Two cops? Odd. I would expect there to be only one; I similarly expect that we have no doctor left, after nmillar is gone. Might be wrong there too.

In any case, Nazarush's play and voting pattern does check out with this claim. That's a big point in his favour. Yesterday, I was thinking how convenient Ty's claim is: there is no way to check that without some serious risk to the town.

As I'm likely going to be without internet access for a few days, and as the popcorn thing is broken anyway, here's my claim:

I'm Jack Bauer, the jack of all trades. I don't think it would be wise to specify exactly what powers I have at this point, unless you guys insist. I didn't use any on night one, and on night two did try to use one but was roleblocked.

Does that mean you lost that power? Or do you get to keep it still?

I agree with you on Typhoon, since there seem to be a helluva lot of power roles in town, so some of them are likely lying. (Or just Mafia, but with the same role as they would have, like Mafia mason, or Mafia doublevoter, or Mafia role cop (obviously not this, since GoJays is now dead), but I'm just giving examples) etc.

Just as Typhoon's claim is convenient, so could Naz's be, on the theory that there are 3 Mafia and 5 town left - if Ghost is town but dead, and Ty a governor who can't save himself during twilight. So I want to hear from Ty first before any vote.

Point of interest that both Naz and Ty were suspects of GoJays here, in addition to Orry.

About nmillar, Jailer would be a weird "the only doctor" role for town to have, if only because that roleblocks the target as well as protects it (according to the wiki anyway). If baz is telling the truth about being roleblocked, then that means there were at least two roleblockers (one on each team?) in the game, which is weird. Why would town need a roleblocking role and not just a regular doctor role?

Either,
a) It's to balance out town having a lot of power roles (doctor protection = blocked too), or
b) Mafia has a role that would benefit Town if it were blocked too?

Baz, was there a flavour given to your block by chance? Wondering if that could give a clue as to which Jack may be responsible).

I presume it's lost. The wording of my role PM seems to indicate it's gone after a single use, successful or not.
I was thinking a), personally.
Zchinque didn't have the time to write flavour last night. It almost literally only says that my action failed and that I was roleblocked.

Because this time, I really suppose I'll be gone for a while, I'll throw in one more explanation: this is one of the reasons why I'm so suspicious of Robb. Generally, I would expect the mafia to roleblock someone who is dangerous to them but whose death could quickly turn against them. So I think I probably hit fairly close to home on day two.

Claim please

I am Jack London, third party survivor. My flavour text has to do with his book, the Call of the Wild, and having to survive like the dog in the story.

Thus why I've been hinting all along that it's not necessarily a 5/3 layout left. Cause I know it's not, although I don't know exactly what it is. The setup is very interesting! And why I was so curious why people seemed to think there were 2 or 3 Mafia left. Baz may have gotten wind of the survivor thing from his analysis of possible 3rd party roles after my hint (just as I managed to out Ghost and Robb as masons from Ghost's hint heh).

For those who aren't familiar with how third party roles work: I win with either the town or mafia, if I am alive when they fulfil their win condition, but I don't count for either side when determining how many opponents are left. I don't have a faction to win with if I die before the end, though. While I'm not inherently town-aligned, I am not anti-town either, as I can argue away a mislynch on me by logical explanations more easily than escape an NK if they randomly decide to kill me at night, so I have a vested interest in eliminating them.

The setup is likely either 4/3/1 or 5/2/1, unless there's another 3rd party in here somewhere, and whether it is lylo or not depends on that. Mainly @baz, I get the sneaking suspicion, if a) were correct and this setup is a case of several investigative roles but less reliable doctoring, that this setup is meant to slightly punish massclaiming.

Also Vitek, you're up.


@Orryrro
In that light, Orry, you never said why you thought there were only 2 Mafia, when I asked in my #452. The question is in the last line. You may have missed that because the quote tags broke on that post, so repeating here:

So basically those that were on one or the other wagons? I can see how you get that, but I don't get how you jump to the conclusion that there are only two. Why not Vitek or Nazarush, which were on neither? Maybe they're trying to hide and not vote at all? Heck, Vitek was voting you (Though it's a plus in the sense that you didn't omgus him back and call him Mafia by including him in your list of 3 here), and Nazarush hasn't really been on any wagon at all as you can see in those end of day votecounts - super suspicious in and of itself.

I can see the reasoning for the guesses, I don't see how that leads to there being only 2 Mafia though just because that of the 3 "unconfirmeds" on the two wagons, you think one of them is town. (There are usually 3 Mafia in a game of 12 if there are 9 town)

And yes, I fail at quoting even though I copy pasted that to fix it. :/

Everything below that last arrow sign 7 lines from the bottom was "new text" by me, not part of the original quote.

I don't know why I feel there are only two, three just doesn't seem to fit. We still have to treat it like there are 3 of them regardless, since we have no proof of it wither way, it is best to stay cautious.

Jess, you hurt my pride. It was me who first came up with that theory, actually, in #340.

Not that it matters. I believe your claim -- simply because that is exactly what I was thinking you were for some time now.

For the record, I think the scumteam is Typhoon, Orryrro and Robbeasy. I'm not going to vote until Ty explains himself, but for now, I'm really going to fall silent for some time. See ya later.

Oh. I think we both reacted to Ghost's mason hint separately then, when I crafted that part of my post I wasn't looking at that, just at the same post of Ghost you quoted there. :P

Is there a consensus that we will be deciding to lynch either Typhoon or Naz today, since I think Naz's claim on Typhoon means one of them is Mafia for sure? (So even if we are wrong, on the off chance the setup is 5/2/1 and the game doesn't end tonight, we will still get a guaranteed Mafia tomorrow.)

On lynchwagons, Naz hasn't voted for either at all, which could be scum trying to stay off the bandwagons or town really not being around much at all. I believe he did come out in support of Ghost though, though that was way too late, at the start of D3 after she got lynched (#441), same time he placed his vote on Typhoon. He didn't seem to be around to argue in favour of Ghost near the end of D2 when Ghost was being wagoned. He did make a pro-Ghost post earlier before her wagon started (in #379) when he was making reads, so that holds perfectly solid there.

Typhoon however did hammer Ghost after she failed to provide a final defence. Neither were really around after Damnation claimed scum and before he got lynched, except for Ty throwing in a filler post after Damnation had been lynched.

Hm. Ty, can you comment on your reactions as Governor to the two lynches? When (at what stage in game) do you have an opportunity to stop a lynch? Do you have to "approve" each lynch or does it go by unless you speak up or something? Did you consider stopping either lynch? More details on your claimed role and how it works (paraphrased or otherwise) would be appreciated.

Ty and Naz, can we please have your reads on who you think is Mafia?

Unvote

Righto, so I see that we have an apparent cop on our hands. I say "apparent" because I seriously doubt that we would have both a flavor cop and a vanilla cop on our hands, and because he appears to have singled me out for lynching.

Let's look at the facts. Nazarush has been almost as flaky as I have been for the game, which is hinting at either a power role or Mafia. But he didn't really defend Ghost, even though he supposedly had checked that she was innocent the night before. Even speaking up would have saved a town's life at that point, but he didn't. Why? Because he knew she was town, and he wanted her dead because she was mafia. And before someone jumps in with a "then he would have been targeted" speech, that's a load of crap. We still have a possible doctor. If anything, a cop claiming could have prevented two deaths that day.

About the lynches: I had no reason to believe that the lynchees were anything other than scum at the time of lynching, Damnation with his "confession" and GhostQlyph with her lack of any further argument, or even a swan-song of analysis.

About my ability: I have 24 hours to respond after any given hammer. As soon as the mod reads my PM, they write the ending scene. I can't save myself from a lynch. I can only use my ability once. I was fully behind both lynches (see my hammer). I put in a filler post after Damnation's lynch because I had just PM'd the mod, and wanted to stay active in-game.

If I had to say "mafia", I would point the finger at Nazarush (reasons already stated), Orryyrro (reasons already stated), and Rooshandark (because he jumps around more than a jackrabbit on speed, and uses his doublevote as to protect his but every ten seconds).

But I seriuosly doubt that Mafia would have a three person team and a double-voter, so I won't pursue the Roosh theory until my other suspects are either proven or have fallen through.

I'm very curious to know why, despite him pointing you out as scum, you're not voting him. Sure you suspect him, but do you think him and you can both be town?

If not, it's very scummy that you unvoted but you're not voting him, since it's likely that one of you is town and the other scum.

I am jumping around because i don't know who to suspect what if i don't get a mafia than we are all screwed. and i know one thing i will get killed in the night soon since i am a double voter

Yeah, I know. I just hit post accidentally, but no one else came in fast enough for me fix it, then I went offline for a while.

Vote Nazarush

Unless Nazarush doesn't give me reason not to vote againist him
you will get my vote when 2 other people vote againist him.

Roosh, why do you think he's scummy?

(I'm having trouble deciding which, as both have plusses and minuses against them, as both have been somewhat quiet and not many posts overall.)