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ilves: Google is getting too big and offering too many things for cheap, its going to drive all its competition out of business and become a huge monopoly in the long run, which is bad. Competition = good. I like google in general (but although someone already mentioned its privacy issues, which i agree with), but I would rather see them stay at the size they are at or smaller, not bigger.

It's not like WinMo, all flavors of Symbian and an occasional Linux gonna get banned overnight
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ilves: Google is getting too big and offering too many things for cheap, its going to drive all its competition out of business and become a huge monopoly in the long run, which is bad. Competition = good. I like google in general (but although someone already mentioned its privacy issues, which i agree with), but I would rather see them stay at the size they are at or smaller, not bigger.

So what should we do, pay more for the same service? Screw that. If competitors want to stay in the game, they should lower their prices.
This phone has me very excited. And yes, KingofGnG, "mobile gaming" is getting bigger and can be a blast.
Specs are out!
http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/12/17/googles-nexus-one-phone-specs-leak
* A proximity sensor/light sensor, similar to that on the iPhone
* 3-axis accelerometer
* 3-axis magnetic compass
* WiFi radio / Bluetooth / FM radio
* Noise canceling chip
* Adreno 200 graphics core with OpenGLES 2.0
* Camera – including auto focus, flash, white balance, anti-banding, and an LED flash
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ilves: Google is getting too big and offering too many things for cheap, its going to drive all its competition out of business and become a huge monopoly in the long run, which is bad. Competition = good. I like google in general (but although someone already mentioned its privacy issues, which i agree with), but I would rather see them stay at the size they are at or smaller, not bigger.
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TheCheese33: So what should we do, pay more for the same service? Screw that. If competitors want to stay in the game, they should lower their prices.
This phone has me very excited. And yes, KingofGnG, "mobile gaming" is getting bigger and can be a blast.

Oh well, a bigger shit is always shit :-D iPhone is a gaming diversion, not a gaming platform....
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KingofGnG: Oh well, a bigger shit is always shit :-D iPhone is a gaming diversion, not a gaming platform....
I really wish I could agree with you, but so many times I've heard of games from big publishers that have been released on the iPhone and I got angry and jealous.
the iPhone has a very small portion of the phone market, and a very small portion of the mobile gaming market - but to some developers it's more attractive than the PSP because piracy isn't as big of an issue (because 1. jailbreaking your phone will be daunting to those who are inexperienced and 2. if you get a PSP you're going to hack it, have someone else hack it for you, or fail in trying to hack it).
I love the NDS and the PSP, and I see them as THE arena for the mobile gaming platform, but every two weeks there's some news story about some iPhone app I want to play and I curse the world that it's at&t only.
it's bullshit, and I hope that the "iPhone store" gets opened up to all devices.
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TheCheese33: So what should we do, pay more for the same service? Screw that. If competitors want to stay in the game, they should lower their prices.

Don't be surprised when Google gets hit with an anti-competitive lawsuit from the US gov for price gouging... offering something for free is the same as keeping your prices so low that competitors can't compete, just because its being done for 'good' doesn't make a difference
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KingofGnG: Oh well, a bigger shit is always shit :-D iPhone is a gaming diversion, not a gaming platform....
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Weclock: I really wish I could agree with you, but so many times I've heard of games from big publishers that have been released on the iPhone and I got angry and jealous.

I hope you are joking here... what exactly would these "big masterpieces" be? Some crappy pre-3Dfx Doom-3D skeletons?!? The "wonderful" conversion of the Space Ace laser disk? The nth digital flipper coming out of time after the golden age of Pinball Dreams/Fantasies/etc.? Another casual gaming madness no one will remember a month after its release? Some arcade conversion like Sonic that makes you cry for being so utterly unplayable due to the lack of whatsoever damn controller? And I could go on for hours....
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TheCheese33: So what should we do, pay more for the same service? Screw that. If competitors want to stay in the game, they should lower their prices.
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ilves: Don't be surprised when Google gets hit with an anti-competitive lawsuit from the US gov for price gouging... offering something for free is the same as keeping your prices so low that competitors can't compete, just because its being done for 'good' doesn't make a difference

Google offers NOTHING for free. It buys your soul and spam it with advertising, instead. That's not an opinion but a business fact...
Post edited December 17, 2009 by KingofGnG
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KingofGnG: I hope you are joking here... what exactly would these "big masterpieces" be? Some crappy pre-3Dfx Doom-3D skeletons?!? The "wonderful" conversion of the Space Ace laser disk? The nth digital flipper coming out of time after the golden age of Pinball Dreams/Fantasies/etc.? Another casual gaming madness no one will remember a month after its release? Some arcade conversion like Sonic that makes you cry for being so utterly unplayable due to the lack of whatsoever damn controller? And I could go on for hours....

I forgot the name of this specific one, but the one that I'm most jealous of is a tetris attack clone. they advertised it on my old Tetris attack forums, but then the web admin stopped paying for the site and the forums got closed down so I can't find the link.
But a game doesn't have to be 3D fx'd - I still play my GBA games regularly, and I will even play SNES games from time to time, and there are countless flash games that I will play on PC and I even bought Machinarium which isn't a 3D game either.
3D does not equal good game, look at Superman 64.
Anyway, there's the mass effect game, the wolfenstein rpg, the porting of the ace attorney series, and some more I can't remember, because I don't keep an eye on the phone.
something like, tap tap revolution?
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stonebro: Fuck it, google is getting their hands into bloody everything these days. They release a browser, say they're going to release an OS, everything you've ever done is soon searchable, and just recently I was informed on my Youtube account that I needed to log in with my Gmail credentials instead in the near future. As well of it telling me it had already shared my youtube account information with all my gmail contacts. Splendid. Luckily I was able to turn off that particular "feature".
Google isn't "all good" anymore. It's not a cute, innovative startup like we've pictured, it's becoming some kind of deep sea behemoth that wants to stick a tentacle up anything that goes on in todays connected world.

Welcome to the Machine? ;)
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Weclock: But a game doesn't have to be 3D fx'd - I still play my GBA games regularly, and I will even play SNES games from time to time, and there are countless flash games that I will play on PC and I even bought Machinarium which isn't a 3D game either.

Completely agree with you: I'm still playing Splatterhouse (1988 class) under MAME and I'm perfectly fine with it.
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Weclock: Anyway, there's the mass effect game, the wolfenstein rpg, the porting of the ace attorney series, and some more I can't remember, because I don't keep an eye on the phone.

Well, maybe these are all nice amusements (I don't own the BloatPhone so I can't judge them in particular), but they are not a new gaming platform. Just more of the same stuff you get elsewhere, on the PC, on the web, on the XBLA, on my crappy Nokia 3510 cellular phone. Only with touch, which doesn't necessary mean it's a good thing from a gaming POV.
So the iPhone is not new, just all the same crap sold as some shiny new revolutionary game and amusement machine. I would be perfectly fine with that if only they weren't trying to sold me this shit as the new god in computing, gaming, phoning and so on.
Post edited December 17, 2009 by KingofGnG
As awesome as the phone is, and the fact that I need a new one, it's a shame I can't use it, since the phone apparently only works with SIM card based carriers, so Sprint won't work out at all.
I'll probably just buy a Samsung Moment when I get the money.
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KingofGnG: Well, maybe these are all nice amusements (I don't own the BloatPhone so I can't judge them in particular), but they are not a new gaming platform. Just more of the same stuff you get elsewhere, on the PC, on the web, on the XBLA, on my crappy Nokia 3510 cellular phone. Only with touch, which doesn't necessary mean it's a good thing from a gaming POV.

I used to think the same but the iPhone is actually a very competent gaming device. I've gone the google route with an HTC Hero myself but I did get a little jealous when I saw they were releasing a Red Alert game on the iphone, the videos look absolutely fantastic. These aren't mobile phone games by any stretch of the imagination, these are very professionally made handheld games that quite rightly compete with the DS and PSP.
Me=sold
Then again, I'm thinking HTC Hero but I DON'T KNOW.
But Google's a software/web services/ad company. What are they doing selling hardware? Like many people I hang around with (drug dealers and pimps and arsonists) it seems that Apple sells a lot of phones because well it's got a little Apple on the back of the thing. Does Google really have that "elegance", or that amount of hype surrounding it? Not really.
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michaelleung: Me=sold
Then again, I'm thinking HTC Hero but I DON'T KNOW.
But Google's a software/web services/ad company. What are they doing selling hardware? Like many people I hang around with (drug dealers and pimps and arsonists) it seems that Apple sells a lot of phones because well it's got a little Apple on the back of the thing. Does Google really have that "elegance", or that amount of hype surrounding it? Not really.
regardless of elegance, the specs and the price are an instabuy.
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KingofGnG: Well, maybe these are all nice amusements (I don't own the BloatPhone so I can't judge them in particular), but they are not a new gaming platform. Just more of the same stuff you get elsewhere, on the PC, on the web, on the XBLA, on my crappy Nokia 3510 cellular phone. Only with touch, which doesn't necessary mean it's a good thing from a gaming POV.
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Nafe: I used to think the same but the iPhone is actually a very competent gaming device. I've gone the google route with an HTC Hero myself but I did get a little jealous when I saw they were releasing a Red Alert game on the iphone, the videos look absolutely fantastic. These aren't mobile phone games by any stretch of the imagination, these are very professionally made handheld games that quite rightly compete with the DS and PSP.

Take it from someone that has an iPhone... the games look neat but 99% of them handle horribly. The touchscreen has too many issues for games that aren't turn based (Something like peggle works because you don't have to rush at all, you can take as much time as you want lining up the shot), and don't even get me started on the games that try to use the accelerometer. If someone released a case for the iPhone that added physical buttons and a D-Pad then it'd be a worthwhile portable game system (assuming it was supported by the software). But, until that point it'll never work as a game system.