Where in my ENTIRE LIST did the user have to deactivate it themselves? come on man, and who says the code has to be encoded in the UPC? Hell if they have NO way of knowing if the disc is new or old they have no way of knowing if you have a new copy either... so your saying that the fee if it exists is for brand new copies you just bought too... hmmm yeah I can just see that going well
"Hi I just bought this game from your shop and when I got home it wanted me to pay full price again...."

Seriously???

You've just said that the used game market won't work on the new xbox! The ONLY thing MS has been sure to point out is that you CAN trade in used games still! So no I'm not freaking stretching at all if anyone is it's you since your argument for how it works goes completely against the ONLY thing they have confirmed works!

The "extra copy" key IS FOR A WHOLE NEW COPY OF THE GAME. It's not a key for you to give to someone its a DAY 1 DIGITAL SALE! It is not a TRADE IN it is not a LOAN it is A WHOLE NEW COPY.

What has basically been confirmed
1. Day 1 digital sales!
2. You can still trade-in used copies!
there is no 3.

I'm having trouble getting passed the fact that the honest short hand seems to be XBone. In the past it was "I have an XBOX", or "I have a 360." That sounded respectable, even cool. But now do we have to tell people we have an XBone? I'm fairly certain the PS4 guys are going to go around pointing out all the guys that have XBoners.

It is a built in insult. Not good.

This entire reveal was a built in insult. :P

MS doesn't endorse Xbone but unlucky for them Notch already referred to it using that name on Twitter. It seems the name will stick.

Use underlining or bolding if you want to stress out something else than readers. Way more considerate.

Release date price is meant for people who are impatient and have a lots of money, and maybe if they want to support the publisher and the devs.

You would have to live under the rock to not see how fast prices on PCs are dropping. Usually, the first 33% sale starts like a month after release. Some games, like Hitman Absolution dropped the price so fast even I could afford it few months after reelease.

It is possible something like that would happen for console games as well. But not for retail copies, of course, only digital. Retail copies can't drop the price too low, because they cost more (especially the storage costs)

Origin doesn't do Steam level sales but I have seen some pretty good ones. Amazon sells a lot of Origin games for super cheap.

Low prices is definitely how you win customers over without the used sales.

That would mean that MS gives someone a completely new digital copy with a discount. I find it more likely that they'll give you MS points or a $5 coupon and don't put a new digital copy on sale, which would make it more like "you can get rid of your game and get a discount" rather than "we'll use our resources to give someone a discounted copy and pay you for it".

Well aftering looking at their presentation and then Angry Joe vlog on this all i got to say is well done microsoft you know how to do things right lol.

I think a quote out of Sharpe sums this up.

"My advice to you is to take your gun and blow out whats left of your brains"

The fact is that microsoft are still ignoring the c market when it is on the rise just shows how much they think of us.

If someone can just get an operating system which can run all windows software without the microsft badge i think microsoft will see a huge decline in people buying their operating system.

That would actually make a lot of sense, IMO. They would get you tied to their store with the discount/credit, and removing a game from your account is probably good too. Meaning, by removing it you may feel the need to buy it again, and/or you can't get your friends to try it out so they'll have to buy it themselves.

A bit of googling tells me tat at least in year 2007 PlayStation 3 ($800) was the cheapest option compared to other sold here ($$900-$1000). I'm not an expect on their price evolution however players' price had declined very slowly which probably gave an advantage to Sony in a long run.

A lack of localisation and lack of PS2/PSone support of EU version (thus a lack of games) made it hardly the best seller in its first years, in my opinion.

It will probably work a lot like it works on Green Man Gaming.

in that case i didn't want to be considerate think of it as talking loud and slow for someone being dense
Who's to say pre-owned copies don't go up at full current digital download rates?
1. You trade in game X to the online section and get $30 credit
2. Your Key is then put back in the pool for digital sales and is sold for $50
Thats not too different to how gamestop etc work except you never have to leave the house and the added bonus to publishers that they get a cut of the used game market

Exactly. Onlive explictly says that you are purchasing a time limited license, and Onlive didn't do well at all.

To be honest i'm not outraged by the lack of backwards compability because i know how hard it is to get it done. Both Sony and Microsoft went into a completely different architecture for the next generation, unlike Nintendo. The Xbox 360 had a 3.2Ghz triple core Power PC CPU and the PS3 had that complex beast called Cell, which was a fucking pain in the ass to program for, let alone emulate it. I doubt any of these can be emulated in that AMD CPU both consoles will use.

Hardware-based emulation is out of question because of production costs. Remember the first PS3 models priced at U$499 and U$599? They had hardware-based emulation, which had to be taken out to reduce the price. PS2 software emulation wasn't that great either. The Xbox 360 had a shitty software-based emulation for Xbox games.

It's pretty obvious that this generation wouldn't have backwards compability. I honestly prefer that both Microsoft and Sony focus on new content and games and making their consoles affordable rather than spending resources in backwards compability.