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timppu: This is still all so confusing. Apparently MS is intentionally leaking different kinds of alternative approaches, and carefully checking what kind of reaction they produce on internet and media.
Probably a good move on their part. It's hard to be too upset if you don't get to really know if you should be upset or not, and it allows for tweaked strategies. The stuff that has most people irked is stuff that could easily be tweaked to pacify the crowd. "Oh, it was never 24-hours. You only have to log in every 72-hours! And the transfer fee is only half of what you thought." Well that is sooo much better. We can all be much calmer now.
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timppu: This is still all so confusing. Apparently MS is intentionally leaking different kinds of alternative approaches, and carefully checking what kind of reaction they produce on internet and media.
Already had the same thought. The contradictory information on the web suggests that either some people at MS are trying to react faster than they can spread the information internally or that MS has been planning all along to present different scenarios and check the reactions to all of them at once / a confusingly fast rate.
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DaCostaBR: But didn't they already say that all games must be installed to the hard drive?
That's what I thought, but on the one hand the kotaku article I read was updated twice or more (so not very clear in the end), on the other hand µSoft stopped much of its com at the start of the shitstorm so we won't know much for some time I think => wait and see, because right now there is far more speculation and 'apparently' than fact or official info.
Post edited May 24, 2013 by Potzato
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DaCostaBR: But didn't they already say that all games must be installed to the hard drive?
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Potzato: That's what I thought, but on the one hand the kotaku article I read was updated twice or more (so not very clear in the end), on the other hand µSoft stopped much of its com at the start of the shitstorm so we won't know much for some time I think => wait and see, because right now there is far more speculation and 'apparently' than fact or official info.
MS never responds to rumours. though i expect they'll clarify them at e3
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F4LL0UT: Already had the same thought. The contradictory information on the web suggests that either some people at MS are trying to react faster than they can spread the information internally or that MS has been planning all along to present different scenarios and check the reactions to all of them at once / a confusingly fast rate.
I don't really think that would be such a smart idea. The only thing they're doing right now is getting potential consumers angry and building up hype for the PS4. That's awful PR.

Remember the Adam Orth's Twitter "incident"? Instead of burying that PR disaster they are making it even worse.
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timppu: This is still all so confusing. Apparently MS is intentionally leaking different kinds of alternative approaches, and carefully checking what kind of reaction they produce on internet and media.
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gooberking: Probably a good move on their part. It's hard to be too upset if you don't get to really know if you should be upset or not, and it allows for tweaked strategies.
I couldn't be upset i just realized i don't give a shit. As a 360 fan, before this conference i was almost sure i will buy XBone at some point. Now i know i never will. No matter what happens i just distrust these people enough not to bother with enything they sell. Seriously i'll just stick with PC gaming, which is pretty predictable and maybe think of buing a PS4 someday.
Theoretically, Xbox One used games could cost the exact same as a new game, because you are no longer paying for a box, game and an instruction/illustration book; You are only paying for an intellectual property licence which includes the identical lossless digital content of the original brand new purchase.
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Zzshock: Theoretically, Xbox One used games could cost the exact same as a new game, because you are no longer paying for a box, game and an instruction/illustration book; You are only paying for an intellectual property licence which includes the identical lossless digital content of the original brand new purchase.
Yep. A second hand game is cheaper because it's used, you risk it being dirty, even slightly damaged, etc. If what you get is basically a game key that gets linked to you account, there's no quality loss due to the key having been "used" before. I guess at worst, the disc can't be read and then you would have to download.

You do get a box for your shelf though. Full shelves look nice.
You know here's my two cents on the whole XBOX One situation...

I'm not buying it. Not because i'm a fan boy ect I own both 360 and ps3 and a nice gaming pc.

I'm not buying it because of 4 reasons I hate cable, I hate always connected (every 24 hrs is still always connected to me don't care if there is a time limit.), I hate that the Kinect has to be connect just to play it, and I Hate the idea that it is always LISTENING just for me to say XBOX ON says 1984 to much for me. Not conspiracy theorist but No I Personally don't need that in my house.

Sorry but I'm staying out of this next console generation, might dip into the Wii U but thats it not interested in PS4 or XBOX One.

just my two cents


Edit: so 5 reasons the used game fee is BS as well
Post edited May 24, 2013 by Arianus
Just curious... Have any official word or bulletin been made by MS about their console announcement?
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tokisto: Just curious... Have any official word or bulletin been made by MS about their console announcement?
Yes:

"Suck it and take it in the ass console noobs"

-Microsoft
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tokisto: Just curious... Have any official word or bulletin been made by MS about their console announcement?
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scampywiak: Yes:

"Suck it and take it in the ass console noobs"

-Microsoft
OR:

Welcome to 1984, suckers!
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Darvond: OR:

Welcome to 1984, suckers!
As I already said: XBox One-Nine-Eight-Four ;)
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Darvond: OR:

Welcome to 1984, suckers!
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real.geizterfahr: As I already said: XBox One-Nine-Eight-Four ;)
It's One for now. Nine, Eight and Four will be released as mandatory and pricey hardware expansions, turning every screen in your house into a camera, monitoring your fridge and collecting tissue samples every time you use the bathroom.
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Neobr10: I don't really think that would be such a smart idea. The only thing they're doing right now is getting potential consumers angry and building up hype for the PS4. That's awful PR.
It's an awful company.
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scampywiak: Yes:

"Suck it and take it in the ass console noobs"

-Microsoft
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Darvond: OR:

Welcome to 1984, suckers!
Yay, let me join! Uhm...

"Shut up and give us your money!"
Post edited May 25, 2013 by F4LL0UT