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Also in the United States, there is no free market anymore. If you don't believe me, look at the thousands upon thousands of pages of rules and regulations that exist on the federal level alone and how the federal government used the backing of subprime loans to buy votes only to result in the financial crisis of 2008 and the current on-going recession. There were already enough basic criminal justice laws against fraud and false advertising along with over 10,000 pages of banking regulations along with enough enforcers in the federal government to enforce them and yet the incident still happened.

The Free Market led to industrial nightmares as depicted in Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle", which had an effect, but not the one Sinclair wanted. He wrote it to foment socialist/communist fervor, instead it led to regulating the industry. It was a net good since REGULATIONS are there to protect and standarize. The problem is not that they exist, the problem is that regulations are either inadequate or poorly enforced. Free, unregulated markets also lead to uncontrolled boom-bust cycles which lead to depressions. The issue is not that regulations exist. THe issue is that regulations are not enforced or inadequate, since they "trust" the markets to self correct and self regulate. That does not happen. It would happen if people were rational actors, but people are by and large NOT rational actors.

If you really believe Keynesian policies save economies, let me remind you that the only thing that ended the Great Depression in the United States was World War 2 and the aftermath that followed. Historians even acknowledge that Franklin D. Roosevelt's economic policies failed in terms of ending the Depression and that the only reason there was a decrease in business failures was because there were less businesses around later in his time in office to fail.
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Oh please, tell me which historians. Other than cato institute hacks that start with the conclusion "the new deal failed" and go from there. You know why WW2 finalized the Depression?
Massive, massive state investment and infrastructure. Not free enterprises

Look at the US presidential election of 2012. Obama's policies were left-wing-leaning despite what liberals you were talking to in the US, Mexico, or the internet. Obama's policies included worse versions of Bush's policies and let me remind you George W. Bush was not this big conservative statesman that people thought he was going to be. Both Obama and Bush blew too much money on federal bureaucracy and they both did next to nothing to reign in on federal overreach. The big difference was that Bush was more fiscally conservative and actually helped end the original recession by enabling small business owners to reinvest more into domestically-made capital goods and domestic labor and let me remind you that most small businesses do NOT get the same tax protections as most corporations. That means that the profits before taxes generated by those businesses get treated by the IRS as the owners' personal taxable income even though the majority of those net incomes have to get reinvested back into the businesses.
I shall not comment on that since I am not as familiar with the particular economic policies of either as I should, but in any case, Bush can be called many things, but not "fiscally conservative" at all. Hell, Clinton left a goddamn surplus, Bush turned it into a deficit by being a warmonger. There is nothing fiscally conservative about being a warmonger.


As for policies that reek of left wing scandal, Obama was the one who gave out, through his attorney general Eric Holder and the BATFE, thousands of rifles, shotguns, and handguns to the drug cartels of your country who already had strong connections with corrupt law enforcement and military personnel that led to them getting heavily armed in the first place. Obama and Holder then tried to cover up the incident, Operation Fast and Furious, by blaming private civilian gun owners in the United States and the "Ma and Pa" gun shops until BATFE whistleblowers revealed the cover up. Bush never allowed the BATFE to send thousands of government-owned rifles, shotguns, and handguns over the Mexican-American border. That was Obama.
That started under Bush. It was horribly badly managed, but the dumb initiative to track down gun usage started under Bush. Shit, it started happening in 2006. So, yeah, the blame falls on both, but it was started under Bush, and it was a goddamn idiotic move. Also one of the issues in there was the idiotic escalation of hostilities herei n Mexico, in a stupid move to "legitimize" Calderón's government.

Also, there was the Solyndra scandal and the other scandals involving the so-called "green energy" companies in which the administration gave out over a billion dollars total in faulty loans in the name of "green energy" resulting in the companies' leaderships giving themselves huge bonuses and then declaring bankruptcy. That was fraud but they got away with it because those executives happen to be big pro-Obama donors. Then there was the Benghazi cover-up scandal.
Solyndra is no scandal. Investing in new tech can go wrong, it went wrong there, it does not discredit the initiative to find alternatives.
Also what the HELL does Benghazi got to do with green energy? And what cover-up? Hell if anything, from what I've read, that also falls on the Republicans even if they have been pushing the meme of Obama letting them die, they refused to increase the budget for "lesser" embassies. You are throwing every single possible argument out there in hopes that they won't be answered to, but damn.
Seriously, what coverup?

Despite all of these scandals, crimes, and economic fallacies; the left wing in the United States re-elected Obama just because they wanted the government to force someone else at gunpoint to pay for their unnecessary abortions, their contraceptives even though condoms are quite cheap, and their cellphones. They acted as if you were against taxpayer subsidies for Planned Parenthood, then you were automatically against all abortions including rape-related and medically necessary ones. Also, they believed in the myth of "free universal" healthcare despite governmental delays and denial in essential medical procedures in other countries like the UK and Canada or the fact that Obamacare adds over 100 new federal bureaucracies to an already overly expensive centralized government or the fact that Obamacare includes an employer-health mandate that was inconsiderate to any smaller business that already provided decent coverage for employees and that was basically designed to involuntarily switch employees to lesser health plans because the fines are cheaper than the upgrade when combined with a downgrade.
Obama was elected because he was a less terrible option than MormonBot Romney, the man with less charisma than John Kerry, hated even by his OWN PARTY.
"Unnecessary abortions", unnecessary according to who? You really think that abortion is used as a "casual" contraceptive? Again, your lack of perspective is staggering. The "cellphones" dig, that is continaution of a PROGRAM STARTED BY REAGAN. "They acted as if you were against taxpayer subsidies for Planned Parenthood, then you were automatically against all abortions including rape-related and medically necessary ones." That is because nine times out of ten, it is an attack on that. Limiting them, adding hurdles, diminishing and defunding clinics, that's the end game. ". Also, they believed in the myth of "free universal" healthcare despite governmental delays and denial in essential medical procedures in other countries like the UK and Canada ". Better to wait for care than to not be given care due to not having a billion dollars. Obviously exagerating, but the waiting times in places with socialized healthcare exist, but there are things called "triage" and "prioritizing urgent care", not "rushing just the ones that can pay".
The United States of America pays far more for medicine per capita than every single other country, and the average care is far worse. Sure, the ultra-high-end of medical care IS the best money can buy, but it is what MONEY CAN BUY.
As for Obamacare, yeah, no one defends that as a good thing. It is a BETTER thing since it expands coverage, but it is basically the Republican healthcare proposal of the 90's. Seriously. It was written by and for insurance industry lobbyists, since the option for socialized/single payer health care was not even on the table.


Duke Nukem Forever is the best video game ever made. It far surpasses Half-Life 2 and Deus Ex.

Last time I checked, it was the conservatives, the libertarians, and other free market-leaning economists that supported limited government and allowing the individual to have more legal control over his/her own life and family.
Except that, no, that has not happened. Your examples and mine have one thing in common: Authoritarianism. Leftwing/socialist movements are not necessarily authoritarian, though they have been in many cases.
Catalonia was an example of a non-authoritarian leftist movement, syndicalism, but then that was horribly crushed by the authoritarian Franco. But that's neither here nor there.

If your post truly represents your understanding of politics and economics or the understanding of politics and economics of most Mexican nationals (assuming you are one and not just simply staying there), it is no wonder why your country is in way worse condition than any other nation of North America.
Hahaha. It is in part due to the last 30 or so years having horrible right-leaning direction here. Dismantling of social structures, privatization of State Enterprise, following the whims of Austrian/Chicago school economists (it is no coincidence that things have been going really bad in terms of economic crises since Miguel de la Madrid, and then Carlos Salinas, both followers of neoliberal economics). To be fair, the previous administrations were really bad about the corruption AND the repression of dissenting movements (then again, considering the state of Chiapas and the zapatistas sincethe 90's... but again, veering off), but focusing on the macroeconomic aspect has led Mexico into violence.
Nice to see that when something challenges your vision or understanding, you resort to insults and name calling instead of arguments, also you have a really bad and unfocused style, just vomiting talking points all over the place, in hopes of none of your arguments getting a response, overload the other one. Hahah.
The second best selling game of all time is Jenga. Jenga is a Swahili word, meaning "to build."
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infinite9: General Augusto Pinochet brought an end to the artificial food shortage crafted by Allende's unsustainable price control policies. Allende either didn't know or didn't care about the differences between cost and price and prevented agribusinesses from covering costs and from re-investing into production improvements resulting in the food shortage. Allende's policies chased away commerce and promoted an unsustainable welfare state filled with massive protests and a trucker's strike protesting against the Marxist regime. As a result, Pinochet and the patriotic Chilean military kicked Allende's ass and removed his gang of Marxists from office and helped save the Chilean economy.
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Luisfius: Are you serious.
Are you SERIOUSLY defending Pinochet and his nightmarish regime, instated by the US against the goddamn Chilean sovereignty
Are you seriously doing this.
I will respond to the rest of your post but are you SERIOUSLY condoning Pinochet and his atrocities in the name of the Chilean economy.
That is a staggering lack of perspective there. Jesus christ.
Please give me some time to process this because really.
He's a political troll. He only appears when there's a Republican vs. Democrat thread and posts gloriously elaborate right-wing posts. Pay it no mind and we'd all be better off.

As to the OP, this is a most disturbing development. Not merely that few scientists identify as Republican, but that the GOP has so severely damaged the conservative brand that scientists can no longer even identify as conservatives. This US political farce is becoming unsustainable and dangerous.
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Everything in the GOG catalogue - especially Sacred - is completely overshadowed by Duke Nukem Forever.
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Piemaster: The second best selling game of all time is Jenga. Jenga is a Swahili word, meaning "to build."
This is very interesting. But Duke Nukem Forever is so much better than Jenga.
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TheJoe: Everything in the GOG catalogue - especially Sacred - is completely overshadowed by Duke Nukem Forever.
GOG should get Sacred 2. I'd buy it. Again.
More people are killed by donkeys annually than are killed in plane crashes.
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Luisfius: GOG should get Sacred 2. I'd buy it. Again.
I wouldn't. Sacred 2 has nothing on Duke Nukem Forever.
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TheJoe: Duke Nukem Forever is the best video game ever made. It far surpasses Half-Life 2 and Deus Ex.
"Eat shit and die!" ^^
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Luisfius: GOG should get Sacred 2. I'd buy it. Again.
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TheJoe: I wouldn't. Sacred 2 has nothing on Duke Nukem Forever.
Yeah but I already got Duke.
Always bet on Duke.

Also I already also have Sacred. Megaman Arm robot Anubis class. What.
I believe Santa Clause is secretly Cthulhu wearing a fat guy as a thumb mask. On about a billion tentacle thumbs.
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Luisfius: Yeah but I already got Duke.
Always bet on Duke.

Also I already also have Sacred. Megaman Arm robot Anubis class. What.
Always bet on Duke yeah, but for god's sake never bet on Sacred.
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TheJoe: Duke Nukem Forever is the best video game ever made. It far surpasses Half-Life 2 and Deus Ex.
Second best after Sacrifice .
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Licurg: Second best after Sacrifice .
Nope. Sacrifice pales in comparison to DNF.