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RSHabroptilus: I have a strong interest in this game, but uh, I vowed long ago never to buy another product for a system with such a short lifespan.
I'll just wait and hope it comes to PC, or even PSN if nothing else.

If you'll be waiting for PSN, you'll be waiting a long time. It's published by Epic Games who owns Chair Entertainment now, and Epic Games and Microsoft have a very strong relationship.
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TheCheese33: If you'll be waiting for PSN, you'll be waiting a long time. It's published by Epic Games who owns Chair Entertainment now, and Epic Games and Microsoft have a very strong relationship.

Oh snap!
Then...PC it is...? I hope...?
Well you can HOPE...
I hope it comes out PC looks good, reminds of of iji
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TheCheese33: If you'll be waiting for PSN, you'll be waiting a long time. It's published by Epic Games who owns Chair Entertainment now, and Epic Games and Microsoft have a very strong relationship.
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RSHabroptilus: Oh snap!
Then...PC it is...? I hope...?

Apparently it was Microsoft's idea for the Tomb Raider Underworld downloadable missions to be X-Box exclusive, so I would be surprised if Microsoft pushed for a Windows release. There's no profit for them there.
As for Epic, they've pretty much told us they don't believe in the PC platform anymore.
Post edited August 21, 2009 by Mentalepsy
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Mentalepsy: As for Epic, they've pretty much told us they don't believe in the PC platform anymore.

Oh, yeah. I forgot about that oh-so-stupid announcement of theirs, "Gears was pirated too much! Wahhhhh!"...completely ignoring digital distribution, the choice to just...Steam it up in the future.
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lowyhong: Are there statistics to show how well indie games sell on the console versus the PC? I'm pretty sure they tend to sell better on the PC.

I don't see what this has to do with Shadow Complex, as it was made by Chair, who is owned by Epic. Epic isn't indie by any stretch of the imagination.
I hated Undertow, and had really written off the company as being unable to do anything good after releasing a game that terrible, but Shadow Complex is quite fun.
If only MS would let me buy the two 1200 point games I want, without forcing me to spend $50 buying points in their stupid pre-defined denominations...
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lowyhong: Are there statistics to show how well indie games sell on the console versus the PC? I'm pretty sure they tend to sell better on the PC.
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LBartley: I don't see what this has to do with Shadow Complex, as it was made by Chair, who is owned by Epic. Epic isn't indie by any stretch of the imagination.
I hated Undertow, and had really written off the company as being unable to do anything good after releasing a game that terrible, but Shadow Complex is quite fun.
If only MS would let me buy the two 1200 point games I want, without forcing me to spend $50 buying points in their stupid pre-defined denominations...

Buy them from Amazon.com?
Shadow Complex:
http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Complex-Online-Game-Xbox-360/dp/B002LIT3F2/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1250914256&sr=8-6
Not sure what your other game was so I can't give you a direct link to it.
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Sielle: Buy them from Amazon.com?
Shadow Complex:
http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Complex-Online-Game-Xbox-360/dp/B002LIT3F2/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1250914256&sr=8-6
Not sure what your other game was so I can't give you a direct link to it.

Once again, Amazon is to the rescue. Man, do I love Amazon!
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Aliasalpha: If anyone is interested in some fancy 2D shooties, Shadow Complex is up on the xbox marketplace.
From the demo I can see both the good and bad parts of the game.
The story looks like it'll be a cliche (I'm expecting the final boss to be "Dad") but not a bad one and it's told in a pretty good way for an arcade game.
The game is reminiscent of bionic commando only with finer control over your gun so you can shoot at the turret on the wall rather than the wall above it or below it since you're standing too far away for a perfect diagonal shot. The downside is that the gun is a bit weird to control, the right stick angles it and its nice and sensitive to when you want to shoot things in the far background but the stick is a bit... well... sticky, the laser sight on the gun tends to jump around between angles a little bit too much but that may just be my controller, its a wee bit dodgy.
I kind of like the torch revealing the secrets and the tool you need to get to them, it makes the secret less of a "where's that last collectible?" and more "Well how the hell do I get up there?" which are the type I prefer.
The boss fight with the IFV was pretty cool though the trick seemed to be a bit cheap, run into a room with infinite grenades to take cover when its shooting you, run out & toss grenades when its not. Not really BAD but not as exciting as it could be. I imagine later ones will be better, this was the first boss and I suspect it was more meant to wow you with size and novelty than it was meant to be a real challenge
Overall I enjoyed the demo and am going to get the game tomorrow I think.

If you want more of the story after you beat the game, read "Empire" by Orson Scott Card, he was contacted by the developers to write the game's story and produced the book empire and it was released back in 2007. Its set in the same world as shadow complex and follows some events during and after complex's end, but don't expect the game's main character to be their, hes not in it, though card has suggested he might make an appearance in the book's sequel coming out late this year.
Shadow Complex has actually sparked a bit of controversy because of its connections with Orson Scott Card.
This article from Gama Sutra says it much better than I can.
Personally, I think Shadow Complex is a great game, but it's actually quite interesting to see that it's sparked debate like in the article above. As far as I'm aware, the ideology of someone involved with a game's production has never really come under discussion or debate to the same level that it has with media like film or literature.
Have a read and see what you think. The discussion may not relate "directly" to the game itself, but it's an interesting read nonetheless.
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angryjedi: Shadow Complex has actually sparked a bit of controversy because of its connections with Orson Scott Card.
This article from Gama Sutra says it much better than I can.
Personally, I think Shadow Complex is a great game, but it's actually quite interesting to see that it's sparked debate like in the article above. As far as I'm aware, the ideology of someone involved with a game's production has never really come under discussion or debate to the same level that it has with media like film or literature.
Have a read and see what you think. The discussion may not relate "directly" to the game itself, but it's an interesting read nonetheless.

good article, I actually did not like "Empire" (the book) all that much as it painted liberals as insane evil radicals (Progressive Restoration forces - the enemies in shadow complex) and neo-conservatives as their radical self - righteous and naive counters and moderates as everyone's salvation. The book is very political and right leaning and despite Card's claims that he is bipartisan in his afterward, his writing in this novel and in his afterward don't really support his own argument. the discussion of the nature of America and empire in the 2nd and last chapters are worth reading on their own as its actually pretty interesting; but I only suggest reading the entire book if you can ignore the political stuff and focus on the techno sci-fi thriller aspects or want more plot after your done with shadow complex. Also if your politically moderate, this book might be right up your alley.
Post edited August 22, 2009 by Bmoyn715
Oh lord. Can't Orson do one thing without people calling for boycotts? It's getting so very old.
The guy has some ridiculous opinions - truly ridiculous - but that's all they are. Most everybody has their share of ridiculous opinions. It's part of the human condition. We are not rational creatures.
Which, of course, explains why the boycotters seem oblivious to the hypocrisy of the whole thing. I mean, really: "This man denies people their rights, so we must deny him a living." Except that Orson does not actually have any specific power to deny people their rights*, while the public does have the power to deny him a living. I simply cannot understand how any gay rights supporter can feel good about openly persecuting a man for his beliefs, and for vilifying those who do not. It's just...
I mean, I'm not going to lie and say that his opinions haven't confused and upset me. It goes without saying that my personal ideology more closely matches the boycotters than it does Orson, so it stings somewhat that I'm having to advocate for him like this. But come on, can we stay on the fucking high ground here?
If knowing his opinions means that you can no longer enjoy his work, then fine, ignore it - but don't act like it's the righteous thing to do, because it's absolutely not.
Summary: Beethoven was a dick. It doesn't matter.
(Also, the reason why the ideologies of someone involved in a game's production have never come under scrutiny is because usually nobody has any. The bulk of the gaming industry is a populist, incestuous, self-congratulating quagmire in which it's rare to find any public figure who actually has an opinion of some sort.)
*he's not Demosthenes, his op-ed rants are not going to shift the zeitgeist one way or the other
Post edited August 22, 2009 by frostcircus
There seems to be a bit of 6 degrees of separation to that argument, chair made a metroidvania game, chair wanted a story and went with political intrigue
My friend Matthew is Australian
However he has german ancestry
His direct german ancestor moved away before ww1
His entire german family did not move (as far as I know)
He may have distant relatives who were in the german army in WW2
Even though he hasn't said anything anti semetic, should I stop being his friend just in case?
Personal beliefs of the creator aren't really relevant if the output is something you like. As an example, what if it was revealed tomorrow that the heart transplant was entirely the result of the good old nazi concentration camp medical experiments and christian barnard merely uncovered notes and claimed the discovery as his own. Should people really have an ethical objection to organ transplants?
Card is evidently a pretty substantial twat, call him that, refuse to support whatever stupid schemes he's working on but if you like his books, fucking well read them and call it a day. The important question is if you never knew, would you love his work or hate it?
I'm a pragmatist, as long as the people who did the deed got punished and whatever they worked on will benefit society at large, I say use it but never forget where it came from and what it cost. As an example, if I found out that somehow or other GOG was the brainchild of Reinhard Heydrich & Adolf Eichmann, I'd still buy games here because they're dead and will reviled for all time and the end product benefits many.
Thing is, what has Orson done that he should (or could) be punished for?
1. Not approved of homosexuality
2. Said as much
Neither of them crimes, nor sins, nor transgressions, nor violations of whatever moral standard we choose to employ. It's not his place to approve or disapprove, so no harm done there, and free speech is a basic human right.
Liberalism is a two-way street; we can't pick and choose what's okay and what's not - if it's okay for two people of the same sex to marry, and it's okay for us to think it's okay for two people of the same sex to marry, then it follows that it's also okay for others to think it's not okay for two people of the same sex to marry.
He's also actually not a twat at all, and I think this is an important distinction to make - just as generations had been raised to believe that gays are evil, I fear that we now have generations raised to believe that homophobes are evil (or stupid). The folly is the same.
I must admit that I found it very difficult to reconcile his brutal op-ed style with the overall compassion that pours from almost every page of his novels, but I also think it was an important process. In a strange way, I'm almost glad he's been so unpleasant.
Hmm. AliasAlpha, while a few bits of this post were pointed at you, most of it wasn't, so I'm sorry that the whole thing reads like it was. Perhaps I should've put this disclaimer at the beginning. Oh well.